Tuesday, October 30, 2007

According to Dave ...

""Turretinfan" has recently taken to claiming not only that I am not a "real" Catholic (because I don't answer every question about my faith the way he ignorantly demands that it should be answered), but that I also have supposedly not "apparently" defined the word Christian anywhere. He even uses this as one of his excuses to not have a chat room debate with me."

Actually, though, Dave has misrepresented what I said (is anyone seeing a theme here?):

a) I acknowledge that Dave is a member of the Roman Catholic Church, and consequently Dave is a "real" Catholic (just like 1 billion or so other people);

b) I have illustrated important doctrinal differences between Dave and the official dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church;

c) Therefore, I have clearly stated that Dave is not a consistent Catholic; and

d) I have also stated that many Catholics disagree with Dave on the points I raised; and

e) I did provide Dave's apparent failure to define Christianity as one reason that I thought debate would not be profitable. Dave has resolved that roadblock by defining Christianity.



natamllc said...


seeing this may be vulgar and common, I will take the risk nevertheless and attribute to Isaiah, Dave, in answering your question, ANYONE SEEING A THEME HERE?, following your ticks: a,b,c,d and e:

[[As it was in those days, I do see a similar parallel in this here debate, albeit then the Jewish nation and Jerusalem/Peace and in these days of the True Apostolic Catholic Church and the now Roman Catholic Church, our New Jerusalem/Christ's blood purchased Peace]]:::>

Isa 29:9 Astonish yourselves and be astonished; blind yourselves and be blind! Be drunk, but not with wine; stagger, but not with strong drink!
Isa 29:10 For the LORD has poured out upon you a spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes (the prophets), and covered your heads (the seers).
Isa 29:11 And the vision of all this has become to you like the words of a book that is sealed. When men give it to one who can read, saying, "Read this," he says, "I cannot, for it is sealed."
Isa 29:12 And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying, "Read this," he says, "I cannot read."
Isa 29:13 And the Lord said: "Because this people draw near with their mouth and honor me with their lips, while their hearts are far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment taught by men,
Isa 29:14 therefore, behold, I will again do wonderful things with this people, with wonder upon wonder; and the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the discernment of their discerning men shall be hidden."

....and then the Prophet's charge against such, are in my opinion, similar as these charges against you by Dave:

Isa 29:19 The meek shall obtain fresh joy in the LORD, and the poor among mankind shall exult in the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 29:20 For the ruthless shall come to nothing and the scoffer cease, and all who watch to do evil shall be cut off,
Isa 29:21 who by a word make a man out to be an offender, and lay a snare for him who reproves in the gate, and with an empty plea turn aside him who is in the right.

But I have more brave hope in thee, turretinfan!

For I would simply say Dave has been rash and hasty in charging you as one "without sincerity" in those things you choose to debate and measured you unwisely!

That is my humble regard with what little I know of you!


Turretinfan said...

Dear Natamllc,

Thank you for your kindness.