tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post1073683801327710423..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Response to Rev. Paul T. McCain regarding Smalcald ArticlesTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-20415066854378787232010-01-31T23:22:53.736+00:002010-01-31T23:22:53.736+00:00Although Rev. McCain has simply shown us his high ...Although Rev. McCain has simply shown us his high opinion of himself, perhaps the position he might try to argue from are the comments found at the following links:<br /><br /><a href="http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2009/11/luther-i-honor-roman-church-she-is.html" rel="nofollow">Luther Distinguishing between the Church of Rome and the Papacy</a><br /> <br />and<br /> <br /><a href="Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-87283063001698221242010-01-31T19:57:07.594+00:002010-01-31T19:57:07.594+00:00These arrogant and unlearned papists can’t govern ...<i><b>These arrogant and unlearned papists can’t govern the church because they write nothing, they read nothing, but, firmly saddled in the pride of possession, they cry out that the decrees of the fathers are not to be questioned and decisions made are not to be disputed, otherwise one would have to dance to the tune of every little brother. For this reason the pope, possessed by demons, Coram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-87448379250622875992010-01-31T19:56:42.046+00:002010-01-31T19:56:42.046+00:00Ah, my dear brother in Christ, bear with me if her...<i>Ah, my dear brother in Christ, bear with me if here or elsewhere I use such coarse language when speaking of the wretched, confronted, atrocious monster at Rome! He who knows my thoughts must say that I am much, much, much too lenient and have neither words nor thought adequately to describe the shameful, abominable blasphemy to which he subjects the Word and name of Christ, our dear Lord and Coram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-61357099527001432422010-01-31T19:55:18.371+00:002010-01-31T19:55:18.371+00:00Let him who does not want to be lost and go to the...<i>Let him who does not want to be lost and go to the devil be on his guard with all diligence and earnestness against the papacy and its doctrine, and let him never again accept even the most insignificant and smallest part of the papacy’s teaching, no matter what it may cost him. Let him flee from the papacy and its following as from the devil incarnate himself, and let him by no means be Coram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-18426998759941922382010-01-31T19:54:11.747+00:002010-01-31T19:54:11.747+00:00The Reformation View of Roman Catholicism
From th...<a href="http://www.cwrc-rz.org/documents/historic-002.php" rel="nofollow"><b>The Reformation View of Roman Catholicism<br /><br />From the works of Martin Luther (1483-1546)</b></a><br /><br /><i>What is the whole papacy but a beautiful false front and a deceptively glittering holiness under which the wretched devil lies in hiding? The devil always desires to imitate God in this way. He cannot Coram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-33160616386942231242010-01-31T17:38:21.652+00:002010-01-31T17:38:21.652+00:00One can make the case then for the Apostle John.
...One can make the case then for the Apostle John.<br /><br />He was removed from the daily Life of the Church, the fellowship with the Head by that Gift, in the world, the communion of the Saints. It is though that Our Dear Savior saw to it his writings made it off the island of reclusion from the Gift to be read and strenthened by and enjoyed even to this day.<br /><br />So, in other words, one Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-75031494779142501012010-01-31T12:48:42.235+00:002010-01-31T12:48:42.235+00:00I would take the traditional Lutheran position as ...I would take the traditional Lutheran position as being that mere membership in the Roman church is not enough to damn someone, yet one cannot be an adherent of the papacy (the Antichrist) and of Christ, because a man cannot serve two masters. That's fairly similar to the Reformed view.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-47639793501957247332010-01-31T05:44:34.421+00:002010-01-31T05:44:34.421+00:00Natamllc,
I should hasten to point out with regar...Natamllc,<br /><br />I should hasten to point out with regard to the "felicitous inconsistency" as it appears in Lutheran dogmatics (from an LCMS perspective, as that is all I am familiar with) is usually only applicable to "non-teachers." <br /><br />False teachers fall under the potential condemnation due to them being judged harsher for their position as teachers. Thus, Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11816521608558804807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-16481214604328054532010-01-30T20:07:55.536+00:002010-01-30T20:07:55.536+00:00TF,
I might note now one of two things and maybe ...TF,<br /><br />I might note now one of two things and maybe more is the reason we have not heard from Pastor McCain in here. Of course, you may have heard from him privately and if so there is no fault for that, seeing the Apostle Paul looked up the Jerusalem brothers privately at the outset of his work of Grace and Truth, too.<br /><br />Silence could be attributed to not caring to fight it out Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-70025144330311252562010-01-29T19:39:39.486+00:002010-01-29T19:39:39.486+00:00Pastor McCain,
My church has decidedly turned in ...Pastor McCain,<br /><br />My church has decidedly turned in your direction, becoming more Reformed than not. You can know this for a fact by consulting Pastor Tom Baker, Dr. Steven Hein, James Nestigen, the dearly departed Gerhard Forde's books, Einar Billing, Wengren, Walther's radio briefs confined to a book of proper distinctions and of course the course the Protesters from Bro.Martin Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-11443512428129017902010-01-29T03:46:41.528+00:002010-01-29T03:46:41.528+00:00But for the record - the point was really not that...But for the record - the point was really not that I know the Smalcald Articles better than you (not that one needs a graduate degree to understand them) but rather that your presentation was misleading.<br /><br />Of course, Luther didn't allege that all Roman Catholics are lost, or anything that extreme. Nevertheless, his view is not accurately captured by simply describing him as saying Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-72464052497419048712010-01-29T03:42:58.690+00:002010-01-29T03:42:58.690+00:00You have a strange sense of humor, my friend.You have a strange sense of humor, my friend.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-13348078865886885292010-01-29T03:30:22.164+00:002010-01-29T03:30:22.164+00:00I find it more than a little amusing that an anony...I find it more than a little amusing that an anonymous blogger, putting himself forward as some sort of Calvinist apologist, claims to know and understand the Lutheran Confessions better than a Lutheran pastor with a graduate degree in the Lutheran Confessions and is the General Editor of <i>Concordia: The Lutheran Confessions</i>.Rev. Paul T. McCainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04846468267196335350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-15581538897611383132010-01-28T13:28:37.552+00:002010-01-28T13:28:37.552+00:00"the Reformed are considered to be heretical&..."the Reformed are considered to be heretical"<br /><br />Really? I had no idea they thought that.louishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05447894010657835114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-60170130374462300642010-01-28T01:53:11.790+00:002010-01-28T01:53:11.790+00:00McCain is repeating what Walther said (in referenc...McCain is repeating what Walther said (in reference to Luther) about Christians in denominations other than the Lutheran church. The Evangelical Lutheran Church (those bodies who subscribe without reservation to the Lutheran Confessions as the proper interpretation of Scripture) is considered the only true church. HOWEVER: In Luther and the Lutheran theologians, anywhere that the Scriptures Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11816521608558804807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-79487906595558260452010-01-27T23:12:53.354+00:002010-01-27T23:12:53.354+00:00For me, of what I just read, this is the crux of t...For me, of what I just read, this is the crux of the matter and can be contrasted with a verse which places the Supremacy squarely otherwise than earth's throne or the see or the seat across the Tiber!:::><br /><br />TF:"....In fact, in the first quotation above he seems to indicate that by adhering to the pope ("the very Antichrist" in one of the later quotations) they haveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com