tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post1203253467645021050..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Papal Primacy vs. ScriptureTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-8031355277761797402010-05-18T02:54:18.087+01:002010-05-18T02:54:18.087+01:00Those who claim an ecumenical church council is in...Those who claim an ecumenical church council is infallible if they are a Roman Catholic. You have the 6th Ecumenical Council condemn a dead Pope as a heretic on formal heresy. It was Pope Honorius who was condemned for formal heresy in his office as Pope and not a private theologian by an ecumenical council. So an infalliblen church council condemn a claimed infallible Pope. A most weird Chafer DTShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06128689713330849677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-45387374464933657472009-11-06T18:41:58.665+00:002009-11-06T18:41:58.665+00:00Pax,
It comes down to this. Vatican 1 demands we...Pax,<br /><br />It comes down to this. Vatican 1 demands we subject ourselves to the Pope, or it's off to hell we go. THAT sir, is "another gospel"per 2 Cor 11:4.<br /><br /><br />"Resting on the PLAIN [note: it is anything but PLAIN] testimonies of the sacred writings, all of the faithful of Christ must believe that...the Roman Pontiff possesses the primacy over the whole Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05420427039737373007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-38123801016965837492009-11-05T23:58:35.004+00:002009-11-05T23:58:35.004+00:00PC ... I'll check - they may be stuck in moder...PC ... I'll check - they may be stuck in moderation still ... if so, when they finally post this will look odd, since people will see your response then your comment above, and finally this comment of mine, followed by any response I may have to your response.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-63358931510364196652009-11-05T20:18:13.175+00:002009-11-05T20:18:13.175+00:00Mr. Turretinfan,
I've noticed my answers rega...Mr. Turretinfan,<br /><br />I've noticed my answers regarding your last questions to me have not yet been posted. I'm sure I sent the answers via comment, but there may have been an internal problem with my computer which perhaps may have prevented my responses from going through. If for some reason you don't have my answers to your 3 questions please let me know and I'll be more Pax Christus!https://www.blogger.com/profile/08276297788828097439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-2991837728370943422009-11-02T15:49:31.342+00:002009-11-02T15:49:31.342+00:00"By the testimony of the fathers, the same wh..."By the testimony of the fathers, the same who testify to the historicity of the New Testament, and the same who knew the Apostles and were ordained by them personally."<br /><br />The fathers cannot tell you whether Benedict XVI or Bartholomew of Constantinople is a mechanical successor of the apostles. They can try to testify of the state of things up to their own time, and we can Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-13154573490603307462009-11-02T13:36:02.354+00:002009-11-02T13:36:02.354+00:00Turretinfan,
1) By the testimony of the fathers, ...Turretinfan,<br /><br />1) By the testimony of the fathers, the same who testify to the historicity of the New Testament, and the same who knew the Apostles and were ordained by them personally.<br /><br />2) The ordination of a man into the episcopacy does not endow him with personal infallibility, unless he is the Pope of course. In fact, the bishop may lose his priesthood should he stray in Pax Christus!https://www.blogger.com/profile/08276297788828097439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-16009643976570752422009-11-02T13:14:20.976+00:002009-11-02T13:14:20.976+00:00PC:
"But they have Apostolic Succession, bot...PC:<br /><br />"But they have Apostolic Succession, both mechanically and doctrinally."<br /><br />Three questions:<br /><br />1) How do you know that?<br /><br />2) Does Apostolic Succession (of whatever kind you have in mind) imply infallibility? (surely it does not and so ... question 3)<br /><br />3) When you disagree with them, what's your reason and justification for doing so?Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-85267358845674256832009-11-02T12:16:53.948+00:002009-11-02T12:16:53.948+00:00Turretifan,
That is certainly a good common groun...Turretifan,<br /><br />That is certainly a good common ground between Reformed Protestantism and Catholic theology, in this case specifically, Roman. But the Greek Orthodox concede the same, viz. that Christ is the one and only Head of the Church, and that the Bishop of Rome is not the visible Head. But they have Apostolic Succession, both mechanically and doctrinally. Whereas you may claim till Pax Christus!https://www.blogger.com/profile/08276297788828097439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-72032364424338126542009-11-02T01:43:23.423+00:002009-11-02T01:43:23.423+00:00"Icons of Christ" is probably a little e..."Icons of Christ" is probably a little extreme for most of the fathers, but like the Reformed churches the early church had a high view of the authority of the church.<br /><br />A number of contra-Reformed folks mistakenly think that the Reformed churches don't recognize that the church has authority. It does. But there is only one head of the entire church - and that head is Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-87016307390239233232009-11-02T00:20:44.762+00:002009-11-02T00:20:44.762+00:00This is was divides Protestantism from historic Ch...This is was divides Protestantism from historic Christendom. The bishops were seen as living Icons of Christ, and so of course the faithful were to be subject to the bishops as though he were Christ. Boniface reiterates this eastern Christian understanding. Today it's considered scandalous, but then again so many fundamentals of the Faith are considered scandalous.Pax Christus!https://www.blogger.com/profile/08276297788828097439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-88294320523096665852009-11-01T14:47:30.571+00:002009-11-01T14:47:30.571+00:00Right, Mr. Harris. Many Roman Catholic responses ...Right, Mr. Harris. Many Roman Catholic responses are so focused on the "no salvation outside the church" aspect of the issue that they miss the more important issue of alleged papal primacy.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-51008872253235567682009-11-01T02:02:28.024+00:002009-11-01T02:02:28.024+00:00Can we help Boniface divide the question: we are S...Can we help Boniface divide the question: we are SAVED INTO THE CHURCH, but not saved into SUBJECTION TO THE PONTIFF.Tim Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08256569449663413460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-51346731180883205652009-10-31T22:09:17.456+00:002009-10-31T22:09:17.456+00:00http://aquinas-martin.blogspot.com/2009/10/turreti...http://aquinas-martin.blogspot.com/2009/10/turretinfan-and-primacy-of-roman-bishop.html<br /><br />C. MassaPax Christus!https://www.blogger.com/profile/08276297788828097439noreply@blogger.com