tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post1404505569638879162..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: One of the Challenges to Extreme Pro-Life RhetoricTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-50041042701809653642014-03-22T16:41:44.629+00:002014-03-22T16:41:44.629+00:00I am left guessing what that sentence means. How c...<i>I am left guessing what that sentence means. How can you exterminate a not-yet-existent physical property?</i><br /><br />The physical property would exist. Matter can neither be created nor destroyed. If the property were allowed to take new form (split) then there would be an increase only in what is empirically distinguishable. Nonetheless, the physical property of all three children would Reformed Apologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17398596496540697639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-86579173044131446592014-03-22T16:39:40.752+00:002014-03-22T16:39:40.752+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Reformed Apologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17398596496540697639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-87682840452138115832014-03-21T15:31:45.726+00:002014-03-21T15:31:45.726+00:00"If God indexes a human soul (or souls) to a ..."If God indexes a human soul (or souls) to a single physical property, then wouldn't the extermination of that physical property, with the intended purpose of preventing its existence no less, result in abortion? "<br /><br />I am left guessing what that sentence means. How can you exterminate a not-yet-existent physical property?<br /><br />Given that people can live without theirTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-76589289735520116682014-03-21T15:25:47.162+00:002014-03-21T15:25:47.162+00:00"Our notion of ensoulment is based on a belie..."Our notion of ensoulment is based on a belief in life after death. What makes our Christian belief in life after death unique is that we believe in the resurrection – so we acknowledge the possibility of dividing the two (soul/body), but that division is a product of the curse. I see no reason to assume a particular point of embodiment that is distinct from the generation of biological lifeTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-55823534212059432732014-03-21T13:55:00.057+00:002014-03-21T13:55:00.057+00:00TF,
Our notion of ensoulment is based on a belief ...TF,<br />Our notion of ensoulment is based on a belief in life after death. What makes our Christian belief in life after death unique is that we believe in the resurrection – so we acknowledge the possibility of dividing the two (soul/body), but that division is a product of the curse. I see no reason to assume a particular point of embodiment that is distinct from the generation of biological Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12439562999391090405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-59324867614989169102014-03-20T15:40:03.837+00:002014-03-20T15:40:03.837+00:00If God indexes a human soul (or souls) to a single...If God indexes a human soul (or souls) to a single physical property, then wouldn't the extermination of that physical property, with the intended purpose of preventing its existence no less, result in abortion? Reformed Apologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17398596496540697639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-23871573782998546292014-03-20T12:31:55.176+00:002014-03-20T12:31:55.176+00:00And then there is the matter of cloning.And then there is the matter of cloning.Laciehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18165814105374663426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-44220720663567793502014-03-18T17:52:41.096+00:002014-03-18T17:52:41.096+00:00Don't get hung up on the word "ensoulment...Don't get hung up on the word "ensoulment." It's just a term for the time when we have a united body and soul. The Scriptures do not tell us when that is.<br /><br />It's not "undeniable" that biological <i>begins</i> then. There is biological life in the egg and sperm before fertilization. It is undeniably that the fertilized egg is alive on cellular level. Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-3233305744424687702014-03-18T16:44:13.500+00:002014-03-18T16:44:13.500+00:00The Bible doesn't speak of "ensoulment&qu...The Bible doesn't speak of "ensoulment", so I'm confused as to why you prefer using that as a criteria for life when you are so cautious about defining it at fertilization.<br /><br />Further, it's undeniable that biological life begins at fertilization, so using a non-biblical concept of "ensoulment" only creates a problem for Christians defending the unborn. If Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12439562999391090405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-37937099529714418362014-03-18T14:26:15.495+00:002014-03-18T14:26:15.495+00:00The difficulty is that now your definition is &quo...The difficulty is that now your definition is "life begins at fertilization, except when it doesn't." In the case of identical twins or identical triplets - which one is oldest? Which one gets to claim that his life began at fertilization? Who is the privileged owner of the fertilized egg?<br /><br />The bigger difficulty is that the Bible itself does not tell us that humans are Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-54651597434854701172014-03-18T13:35:21.659+00:002014-03-18T13:35:21.659+00:00I'm struggling with seeing why such instances ...I'm struggling with seeing why such instances pose a difficulty. In the case of identical triplets, one life began at fertilization. The individuation of the two upon division. All of the information necessary for life is contained within each sibling, and God is the one forming and shaping.<br /><br />It seems like you may be creating a difficulty where there is none, other than the sheer Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12439562999391090405noreply@blogger.com