tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post1801073513911709433..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Ken Ham Refuses to Compromise ...Turretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-85389938422579388032011-04-06T13:30:49.000+01:002011-04-06T13:30:49.000+01:00I am not aware of the extent to which his compromi...I am not aware of the extent to which his compromise of the truth in this area affected other areas. I have often recommended his work "Counterfeit Miracles," and will continue to do so.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-10547901723420278842011-04-06T12:36:18.335+01:002011-04-06T12:36:18.335+01:00Thanks TF.
I've not looked into Warfield'...Thanks TF.<br /><br />I've not looked into Warfield's position on evolution, but I'll check into it since I otherwise appreciate much of his work.<br /><br />Do you have any reason to suspect that his erroneous view on this topic may have crept into any other aspects of his work?<br /><br />For example I have a few Warfield tomes in my personal library and have found them edifying. Coram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-25457108172008614952011-04-06T04:24:39.335+01:002011-04-06T04:24:39.335+01:00Warfield is alleged to have said:
“I do not think...Warfield is alleged to have said:<br /><br />“I do not think that there is any general statement in the Bible or any part of the account of creation, either as given in Genesis 1 and 2 or elsewhere alluded to, that need be opposed to evolution.” B. B. Warfield<br /><br />It is Warfield's erroneous position on evolution that I was referring to.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-36711420221528166622011-04-06T04:21:08.846+01:002011-04-06T04:21:08.846+01:00TF,
Would you care to expand on your allusion to ...TF,<br /><br />Would you care to expand on your allusion to Warfield's "erroneous position" on the inerrancy Scripture, or possibly point me toward a resource that discusses the topic?<br /><br />In Christ,<br />CDCoram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-57552749479976854112011-04-03T03:35:42.052+01:002011-04-03T03:35:42.052+01:00Ham's view on inerrancy is the same as Calvin&...Ham's view on inerrancy is the same as Calvin's or the Chicago statement. Enns view on inerrancy is not. <br /><br />Whether one wants to call Enns' view an extension of the erroneous position of Warfield or the weak view of Hodge, Enns view clearly compromises on the issue of inerrancy. Whether we would have (or should have) given more or less slack to Hodge and Warfield is a Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-56609063346145749412011-04-03T02:46:50.106+01:002011-04-03T02:46:50.106+01:00Is it just me, or did you decide to delete my comm...Is it just me, or did you decide to delete my comment?<br /><br />So rather than deal with Enns' words (which I didn't intend to defend, but simply to accurately represent), you've declared him guilty by association (a guest author on a *discussion forum* of which he is a part said something heretical, therefore all authors on that forum hold equal responsibility?).<br /><br />Chemostrat1646https://www.blogger.com/profile/01067579479402100587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-15598263210467156632011-04-03T02:02:34.858+01:002011-04-03T02:02:34.858+01:00Chemostrat1646: On the issue of Scripture's re...Chemostrat1646: On the issue of Scripture's reliability, Enns' group has promoted Kent Sparks' heretical view (<a href="http://turretinfan.blogspot.com/2010/07/second-anathema-against-biologos.html" rel="nofollow">see the discussion here</a>). And no, contrary to what you may have been told, that was not the view from Calvin to Warfield.<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-41847983676052715712011-04-03T01:27:10.403+01:002011-04-03T01:27:10.403+01:00I am only broadly familiar with Dr. Enns' work...I am only broadly familiar with Dr. Enns' work, but I am convinced that to say "Enns denies inerrancy" is overly simplistic. He denies it in the terms that Mr. Ham employs the doctrine—as do/did many Christian scholars, from Calvin to Warfield. But in Dr. Enns' own words:<br /><br />"I affirm that I am committed to the Bible’s inerrancy as a function of its divine origin...Chemostrat1646https://www.blogger.com/profile/01067579479402100587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-85578823713861202872011-04-02T14:43:05.088+01:002011-04-02T14:43:05.088+01:00Yes, Enns denies inerrancy. That's a lower vi...Yes, Enns denies inerrancy. That's a lower view of Scripture. Enns does need to be marked out and avoided. I'm sorry if that makes "open dialog" with him difficult.<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-40544638560095622542011-04-02T13:12:39.888+01:002011-04-02T13:12:39.888+01:00I understand that Mr. Ham is zealous to stick up f...I understand that Mr. Ham is zealous to stick up for what he believes, and that is fine. But the fact that Mr. Ham relies on poisoning the wells with pejorative labels and condescending demeanor, rather than engaging in open dialogue while showing some respect, makes his comments ever so ineffectual to those that can recognize such childish behavior.<br /><br />Also, what does it mean to say thatChemostrat1646https://www.blogger.com/profile/01067579479402100587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-4399027912272571032011-04-02T08:01:04.382+01:002011-04-02T08:01:04.382+01:00I'm not familiar with Enns or the Great Homesc...I'm not familiar with Enns or the Great Homeschool Conventions. But accusing anyone who doesn't view the world through Ham colored glasses as corrupted by secular ideas and compromising the authority of Scripture is Ken Ham's schtick. It's unpersuasive, naive, or worse... iniquitous and young earthers should be better represented.2EZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824318126350495351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-35972607197792787262011-04-01T20:53:05.943+01:002011-04-01T20:53:05.943+01:00Dean and Ham may have the same view of Scripture. ...Dean and Ham may have the same view of Scripture. Enns does not. Enns' view is considerably lower.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-41441959759426190842011-04-01T19:39:14.987+01:002011-04-01T19:39:14.987+01:00Susan Wise Bauer called the disagreement between D...<i>Susan Wise Bauer called the disagreement between Dean and Ham a "huge ideological clash between two men who have the same view of Scripture."</i><br /><br />TFan, I don't think this is an accurate observation by Susan Wise Bauer. Do you? I don't think they have the same view of Scripture. I think Ham's is higher than Enn's.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.com