tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post2075818266343128964..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Sola Scriptura and Unity DebateTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-78679979369650351832010-04-14T18:25:49.607+01:002010-04-14T18:25:49.607+01:00Doug,
I just finished a full debate with an EO on...Doug,<br /><br /><a href="http://rhoblogy.blogspot.com/search/label/sola%20scriptura%20debate%20with%20David" rel="nofollow">I just finished a full debate with an EO on Sola Scriptura</a>. Feel free to read it if you like, and I hope it proves helpful!Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-54237468586505841882010-04-14T17:38:24.934+01:002010-04-14T17:38:24.934+01:00Turretinfan
Thanks for the debate! I just had the...Turretinfan<br />Thanks for the debate! I just had the matter of Sola Scriptura brought up to me by someone who is Eastern Orthodox. He spoke much of the original church that has been around for 1900 years and the reformed beliefs which have been around for 500 and have caused so much division. He also talked about how all the "divisions" in the protestant church shows error in Dougnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-7263236761446596342010-04-14T01:20:37.506+01:002010-04-14T01:20:37.506+01:00"If I were Turretin Fan I would not want my i..."If I were Turretin Fan I would not want my identity known either."<br /><br />The <i>ad hominem</i> continues, I see.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-29732217219600186702010-04-14T01:17:39.551+01:002010-04-14T01:17:39.551+01:00If I were Turretin Fan I would not want my identit...If I were Turretin Fan I would not want my identity known either.James Bellisariohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01786370386909499672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-56312390129684160752010-04-13T05:03:26.510+01:002010-04-13T05:03:26.510+01:00Sean Patrick,
Try to think about how your comment...Sean Patrick,<br /><br />Try to think about how your comments appear to readers here. The <i>very first thing</i> you posted was an accusation that TF is not motivated by humility to do what he does:<br /><br /><i><b>Odd that you want to be on the forefront.</b></i><br /><br />Mr. Albrecht doesn't seem to think it's a problem. If he did, he would not debate TF at all.<br /><br /><i><b>Pilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-55908427897746474712010-04-13T04:31:15.887+01:002010-04-13T04:31:15.887+01:00Sean Patrick,
I'm not interested in playing y...Sean Patrick,<br /><br />I'm not interested in playing your games. My comments above fully address the matter.<br /><br />PA,<br /><br />LOL<br /><br />- TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-88037153191704788422010-04-13T04:23:40.922+01:002010-04-13T04:23:40.922+01:00You can keep that kind of empty-hearted apology fo...<i>You can keep that kind of empty-hearted apology for yourself</i><br /><br />I am <b>not</b> apologizing for merely asking a question. You are purposefully an anonymous internet personality. I did not realize that merely asking you about it was such a sacred cow. <br /><br />I haven't listened to the debate, yet, because I haven't had the time. <br /><br />My asking you about you Blogahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08390152245638471831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-49782199817904780382010-04-13T04:21:43.455+01:002010-04-13T04:21:43.455+01:00I guess it doesn't really matter--I felt a lit...I guess it doesn't really matter--I felt a little self-conscious that people would think I'm up a 4:00 a.m. doodling inanities on someone's blog. It's the 4:00 a.m., not the inanities that I'm self conscious about. :-)Pilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-57291171769575864622010-04-13T04:15:29.618+01:002010-04-13T04:15:29.618+01:00PA: That's what GMT with daylight savings is. ...PA: That's what GMT with daylight savings is. If I could just find a way to turn off the daylight savings I would.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-36378277971028311842010-04-13T04:14:34.684+01:002010-04-13T04:14:34.684+01:00Relative to TFan's location?Relative to TFan's location?Pilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-81551199728775396802010-04-13T04:13:29.177+01:002010-04-13T04:13:29.177+01:00"I didn't even listen to the debate TFAN...."I didn't even listen to the debate TFAN."<br /><br />I guess I shouldn't be surprised.<br /><br />"So, not sure what I would be bringing an ad hom against."<br /><br />You'd be bringing them against me, of course. <i>Ad hominems</i> are always about people, not the substance. I'm surprised you're not aware of that. <br /><br />"If you think its Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-23681365705913842352010-04-13T04:13:23.641+01:002010-04-13T04:13:23.641+01:00Anyone got any idea why the timestamp says 4:00 in...Anyone got any idea why the timestamp says 4:00 in the morning, for crying out loud? I still can't figure it...Pilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-16967941741961542002010-04-13T04:11:21.229+01:002010-04-13T04:11:21.229+01:00Sean Patrick,
I think the problem is that you ten...Sean Patrick,<br /><br />I think the problem is that you tend to state things in an unnecessarily accusatory way:<br /><br /><i>Odd that you want to be on the forefront. Calling people out, challenging people to debates...all the while being anonymous. Why is that?</i><br /><br />At least, that is the way I read it, and I suspect it appears that way to TF as well, hence, his response. Perhaps youPilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-61183720453718293332010-04-13T04:06:10.295+01:002010-04-13T04:06:10.295+01:00I mean, just listen to the first one...
"Wel...I mean, just listen to the first one...<br /><br />"Welcome to the debate. Today's topic is...<br /><br />On the Catholic side we have William Albrecht...<br /><br />On the Protestant side we have...<b>Turettin Fan</b>?"<br /><br />There are a lot of debates on youtube. I bet you are the only anonymous debater. I just think that is curious.Blogahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08390152245638471831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-41596945277899221332010-04-13T04:02:42.512+01:002010-04-13T04:02:42.512+01:00I didn't even listen to the debate TFAN. So, ...I didn't even listen to the debate TFAN. So, not sure what I would be bringing an <i>ad hom</i> against. <br /><br />If you think its perfectly reasonable to have a picture of him juxtaposed against a cartoon picture of yourself (with an anonymous handle) than sorry for making the observation.<br /><br />I see the big guns come out when somebody asks about that so, sorry to have asked.Blogahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08390152245638471831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-37433504097586711752010-04-13T02:14:07.671+01:002010-04-13T02:14:07.671+01:00"I think I asked a pretty legitimate question..."I think I asked a pretty legitimate question."<br /><br />I think my response is legitimate as well. I go out of my way not to make this about me, but for some reason you seem to act as though it ought to be about me.<br /><br />"People are going to go on Youtube and see a person with a picture and a name debate....a cartoon character?"<br /><br />I'm not sure what to Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-74791426011401053352010-04-13T00:52:47.087+01:002010-04-13T00:52:47.087+01:00I think I asked a pretty legitimate question.
Peo...I think I asked a pretty legitimate question.<br /><br />People are going to go on Youtube and see a person with a picture and a name debate....a cartoon character?<br /><br />It looks odd.<br /><br />It isn't about you but rather a question. On the one hand you seem to be trying to be public. On the other hand you go out of your way to hide your identity.Blogahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08390152245638471831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-38997314365435229982010-04-13T00:42:23.140+01:002010-04-13T00:42:23.140+01:00Which part is hard for you to understand, Sean Pat...Which part is hard for you to understand, Sean Patrick? Defending the faith or doing so without making it about me?<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-38069113825319918832010-04-13T00:32:07.539+01:002010-04-13T00:32:07.539+01:00Odd that you want to be on the forefront. Calling...Odd that you want to be on the forefront. Calling people out, challenging people to debates...all the while being anonymous. Why is that?Blogahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08390152245638471831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-91221786839590439882010-04-12T14:02:37.942+01:002010-04-12T14:02:37.942+01:00Good point, Rhology!Good point, Rhology!Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-91533073300039982832010-04-12T14:00:44.972+01:002010-04-12T14:00:44.972+01:00I have to say that I think the two articles I wrot...I have to say that I think the <a href="http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/search/label/33000%20denominations" rel="nofollow">two articles I wrote on these topics</a> are worth at least a skim if you haven't read 'em before.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-7423482765036400782010-04-12T11:48:16.178+01:002010-04-12T11:48:16.178+01:00Dan:
That is something I would like to do, althou...Dan:<br /><br />That is something I would like to do, although (as you recognize, I think) it will take a lot of time.<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-27645725429749918672010-04-12T11:47:32.307+01:002010-04-12T11:47:32.307+01:00PA:
On the 33,000 denominations point, there'...PA:<br /><br />On the 33,000 denominations point, there's a good article (not by me) here: (<a href="http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=2218" rel="nofollow">link</a>).<br /><br />I addressed John 17 here: (<a href="http://turretinfan.blogspot.com/2009/12/examining-john-17-and-christian.html" rel="nofollow">link</a>).<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-28086300663816388242010-04-12T06:52:35.605+01:002010-04-12T06:52:35.605+01:00Part 2
I heard the spectre of the bogus "33,...Part 2<br /><br />I heard the spectre of the bogus "33,000 denominations" argument trying to raise its ugly head. You dealt with the perspecuity of Scripture to some extent in your closing argument. I would like to have heard you pounce on the fact that most groups outside conservative Protestantism have other <i>primary sources</i> which effectively have authority over the Scriptures.Pilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-76506875063649587312010-04-12T06:52:01.905+01:002010-04-12T06:52:01.905+01:00Part 1
TurretinFan,
First, let me say that whate...Part 1<br /><br />TurretinFan,<br /><br />First, let me say that whatever I say here is for the general readership of your blog, taking into account the varying levels of knowledge regarding things such as Presbyterian polity. My comments are not judgements of your levels of knowledge, which I consider to be far superior to my own anyway.<br /><br />Thank you for a (mostly) enjoyable debate oncePilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.com