tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post2097735819930172135..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Response to Paul HofferTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-34966884091494362722008-08-07T23:30:00.000+01:002008-08-07T23:30:00.000+01:00Hello Mr. Bridges, Of course, that is your non-aut...<I>Hello Mr. Bridges, Of course, that is your non-authoritative opinion that St. Paul is referencing those sources and not Wisdom.</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, I'm quite capable of arguing my points and not merely asserting them.<BR/><BR/>Rome has never defined these quotes, so we're left with your nonauthoritative opinion on what Paul was using as his reference material. Why should I believe you?<BR/>GeneMBridgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504383610477532374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-65271121215329659642008-08-07T16:59:00.000+01:002008-08-07T16:59:00.000+01:00Paul,you wrote this in response to a commentor: [[...Paul,<BR/><BR/>you wrote this in response to a commentor: [[I believe it is a fair assumption that the reference in Romans is to Wisdom.]]<BR/><BR/>I was reading Scripture this morning and came across this idea from the Book of Acts that sheds some more light on this resistant position some are taking against you:<BR/><BR/>Act 7:22 And Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, andAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-70506851931071743012008-08-07T13:52:00.000+01:002008-08-07T13:52:00.000+01:00PH wrote: "Of course, that is your non-authoritati...PH wrote: "Of course, that is your non-authoritative opinion that St. Paul is referencing those sources and not Wisdom."<BR/><BR/>Unless you are saying that your opinion is authoritative, I hardly see the value in qualifying Mr. Bridge's comments that way. I am sure you don't mean that. If Mr. Bridge's comments are reasonable, just judge them that way.<BR/><BR/>PH wrote: "It is my understandingTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-71222876417100886052008-08-07T13:45:00.000+01:002008-08-07T13:45:00.000+01:00Hello Mr. Bridges, Of course, that is your non-aut...Hello Mr. Bridges, Of course, that is your non-authoritative opinion that St. Paul is referencing those sources and not Wisdom.<BR/><BR/>It is my understanding that the Book of Wisdom was something that was prominently taught in the Pharisaic schools. Given that Paul, a Pharisee and the son of Pharisees, was taught at the knees of Gamaliel, a Pharisaic Rabban, who remained a Pharisee even after Paul Hofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09182683665344747977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-5707088922237313092008-08-07T13:13:00.000+01:002008-08-07T13:13:00.000+01:00Dear Gene,Thanks for that additional information. ...Dear Gene,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for that additional information. <BR/><BR/>I have noticed that Wisdom frequently makes use of the Old Testament, sometimes even quoting directly from it.<BR/><BR/>Since I believe the book of Wisdom to be a reflection of the views of ancient believers, it does not surprise me to see them drawing from the same well as Paul drew, albeit without the inspiration Paul had.<Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-48813326512039581632008-08-07T13:05:00.000+01:002008-08-07T13:05:00.000+01:00Michael,I appreciate your comment, and have taken ...Michael,<BR/><BR/>I appreciate your comment, and have taken it to heart.<BR/><BR/>-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-30802811033712899642008-08-07T13:03:00.000+01:002008-08-07T13:03:00.000+01:00Thanks for the retraction.With respect to the issu...Thanks for the retraction.<BR/><BR/>With respect to the issue of acceptance of the so-called Deuterocanonicals, it is simply not the case that Jerome (one of the very few ECFs that knew Hebrew) accepted them as the canonical Scriptures.<BR/><BR/>What is more significant, of course, is that the Jews rejected them as canonical Scripture, and Christ endorsed the Jewish canon, as I recently noted in Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-41615475458088151732008-08-07T08:04:00.000+01:002008-08-07T08:04:00.000+01:00You and your readers may find this of note:http://...You and your readers may find this of note:<BR/><BR/>http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2008/02/wisdom-of-solomon.html<BR/><BR/>I wonder, does Mr. Hoffer's theory of inspiration apply to pious frauds?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Steve has already dealt with these objections:<BR/><BR/>On Romans,Paul is not quoting Wisdom. He's quoting<BR/> Ps 106:20-21; Jer 2:11 & 10:14.<BR/>Job 12:7-9; Ps 19:1-4, &GeneMBridgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504383610477532374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-59118791195092465282008-08-06T21:13:00.000+01:002008-08-06T21:13:00.000+01:00Hi TF, I agree with you that my choice of the word...Hi TF, I agree with you that my choice of the word "quote" was quite poor on my part. I will endeavor to be more precise on my part in the future. I also appreciate the fact that you recognize that there are similarities between the texts paticularly between Romans 1:18-23 and Wisdom 13:1-9.<BR/><BR/>You said, "Yet no one believes that the pre-Christian Cretan poet Epimenides authored Holy Paul Hofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09182683665344747977noreply@blogger.com