tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post2472153567121819848..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Who is Dr. Ergun Caner?Turretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-42155650056523495572014-03-07T23:51:46.494+00:002014-03-07T23:51:46.494+00:00Teh Holy Bible says that God HATES a lying tongue....Teh Holy Bible says that God HATES a lying tongue. Paul wrote that it is said that where sin abound, grace much more abounds, then he addresses the question of sinning to make good things happen and he says, "GOD FORBID".<br />Unless Ergun repents and publicly recants the very public lies he has told, he is an unrepentant, mammon grubbing servant of sin.<br /><br />By the way, Ergun Arthur Adam Haglundnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-70715655252140343552010-11-08T13:16:56.399+00:002010-11-08T13:16:56.399+00:00There is another "Convert from Islam to Chris...There is another "Convert from Islam to Christianity" that Muslims have accused of not being a real Muslim, Walid Shoebat.Another Calvary Favorite. Seems these non-extremists are getting in and making a mockery of the church. But who can blame them, the church, they are being deliberately mislead by their own leaders. Here's a question, Why? Why would said converts 'enter in'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-64152294398405185172010-05-19T18:10:30.902+01:002010-05-19T18:10:30.902+01:00"Is that you can't be in a position to ju..."Is that you can't be in a position to judge others because you ONLY agree with yourself."<br /><br />Why would it follow that I can't judge others based on my only agreeing with myself? <br /><br />"To what extent? You can't deny that it has been the central language of Christianity despite it not being the language of revelation."<br /><br />Sure I can. There&#Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-68747099269802678442010-05-19T18:02:23.228+01:002010-05-19T18:02:23.228+01:00Pilgrim,
Thanks for your invite to Christianity. ...Pilgrim,<br /><br />Thanks for your invite to Christianity. Yes, I understand the post wasn't about the debate that's taking place on this thread but again that's what happened and we are engaging in civilized debate. <br /><br />Of course I know Ergun Caner and I have one word to describe him: a certified fraudster.Alfred Southernnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-34438566319395157162010-05-19T17:57:18.244+01:002010-05-19T17:57:18.244+01:00And the problem with that is?
Is that you can'...<i>And the problem with that is?</i><br /><br />Is that you can't be in a position to judge others because you ONLY agree with yourself.<br /><br /><i>You are wrong.</i><br /><br />To what extent? You can't deny that it has been the central language of Christianity despite it not being the language of revelation.<br /><br /><i>Oh?</i><br /><br />Yes. <br /><br /><i>a) What makes you Alfred Southernnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-42927330701852238032010-05-19T17:48:31.497+01:002010-05-19T17:48:31.497+01:00Alfred Southern,
I don't understand what happ...Alfred Southern,<br /><br />I don't understand what happened to this thread. TF's post is about the identity of the real Ergun Caner. He has shown great restraint in the face of all the "embellishments" from Caner by bringing the facts to the fore in a dispassionate way. The credibility of Christians and how they deal with their wayward brethren is the issue at hand, not "Pilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-14513683336442084962010-05-19T14:47:42.556+01:002010-05-19T14:47:42.556+01:00"By saying tribal I mean supporting a specifi..."By saying tribal I mean supporting a specific mindset and seeking consolation in it and dismissing any outside view, culture, religion, ideology, mentality, creed, color and etc."<br /><br />And the problem with that is?<br /><br />"Coming to your question, I think it was only the other day that Latin was stopped as being the only language God understands."<br /><br />You areTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-13687197797995286222010-05-19T13:53:50.849+01:002010-05-19T13:53:50.849+01:00Turretin,
By saying tribal I mean supporting a sp...Turretin,<br /><br />By saying tribal I mean supporting a specific mindset and seeking consolation in it and dismissing any outside view, culture, religion, ideology, mentality, creed, color and etc. <br /><br />Coming to your question, I think it was only the other day that Latin was stopped as being the only language God understands. And when you judge Muslims that they can only pray in Arabic,Alfred Southernnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-18867531604410130852010-05-19T12:35:05.177+01:002010-05-19T12:35:05.177+01:00Decide between us which religion is tribal: the re...Decide between us which religion is tribal: the religion to which God bore testimony with the sign of tongues and in which the worshipers may worship God in the language they have known since a child, or the religion in which everyone must pray in Arabic.<br /><br />Please tell me which of these religions is global and which is tribal.<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-21575425429190638142010-05-19T09:22:42.977+01:002010-05-19T09:22:42.977+01:00pilgrim,
It is good that you accept your handica...pilgrim,<br /><br /><br />It is good that you accept your handicap <b>albeit inadvertently</b>.Southern Alfrednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-47920914924376052532010-05-19T08:26:51.781+01:002010-05-19T08:26:51.781+01:00Southern Alfred,
...no intelligent being can be w...Southern Alfred,<br /><br /><i>...no intelligent being can be won over by such mind boggling, self righteous tribal bigots.</i><br /><br />Hence the style of argumentation I have adopted here with a view to winning you over.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br /><br />PA<br /><br />P.S. Tribal Warlords Rock!Pilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-59659390674746150772010-05-19T07:38:49.933+01:002010-05-19T07:38:49.933+01:00To answer your question:
I don’t think there is ...To answer your question:<br /><br /><br />I don’t think there is a single book on Christianity ever written by a Muslim that’s good or at least appreciated by Christians. Likewise, I have never seen a book on Islam written by Christians that will pass the test of human good and neutrality. Prejudice is paramount on both sides. One difference though, Muslim written books on Christianity are far Southern Alfrednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-77788857863509629802010-05-19T07:23:26.956+01:002010-05-19T07:23:26.956+01:00Fred Butler,
It is Maurice Bucaille and not Maur...Fred Butler, <br /><br />It is Maurice Bucaille and not Maurice Bucailli as you wrote. Secondly, Bucaille was a Muslim (convert) and therefore I don't see how one has to propose him as a source on a religion that he was dissatisfied with and left. Thirdly, Bucaille was a Medical Doctor and his work in related to that. I think his biggest work has been The Bible, the Koran and the Science in Southern Alfrednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-87721439905228848412010-05-19T07:10:26.846+01:002010-05-19T07:10:26.846+01:00pilgrimsarbour wrote:
"By the way, LoonWatch...pilgrimsarbour wrote:<br /><br /><i>"By the way, LoonWatch.com is a <b>far leftist, jihadi appeaser site</b>. Go to sleep, America. We are your friends! All is well. All is well...<br /><br />Nope. Nothing of any real use there. <b>Just some bitter, left wing nutjobs with the usual foul-mouthed, grammar-challenged pablum-puking nonsense we've come to expect from jihadi front groups like Southern Alfrednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-1097833481863132942010-05-19T00:34:19.800+01:002010-05-19T00:34:19.800+01:00Anonymous wrote:
Butler's assertion that there...Anonymous wrote:<br /><b>Butler's assertion that there is no good book on Christianity by Muslims because they are biased should also mean there is no good book on Islam by Christians because they are biased. It can't be only one way. It is a stupid (if not outright buffoonery) to imagine otherwise.</b><br /><br />Yes, I did assert that. Do you have one to recommend? And please don'Fred Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025967176465685306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-76261439283503260782010-05-18T23:17:26.590+01:002010-05-18T23:17:26.590+01:00Speaking of juicing up one's bio, Republican C...Speaking of juicing up one's bio, Republican Christopher Shays of Connecticut had this to say about his friend, Democratic Senate Candidate Richard Blumenthal, another serial story embellisher:<br /><br /><i>"More and more it kept creeping in,” he said. “And it was very different than when he first described his </i>[Vietnam] <i>service. I'm not surprised, because he just kept Pilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-78608004904676094932010-05-18T23:15:44.052+01:002010-05-18T23:15:44.052+01:00Anonymous:
I don't feel I need to give you an...Anonymous:<br /><br />I don't feel I need to give you an explanation at this time. Thanks for stopping by.<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-79438627131602795432010-05-18T22:30:20.250+01:002010-05-18T22:30:20.250+01:00By the way, LoonWatch.com is a far leftist, jihadi...By the way, LoonWatch.com is a far leftist, jihadi appeaser site. Go to sleep, America. We are your friends! All is well. All is well...<br /><br />Nope. Nothing of any real use there. Just some bitter, left wing nutjobs with the usual foul-mouthed, grammar-challenged pablum-puking nonsense we've come to expect from jihadi front groups like CAIR and their ilk.Pilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-75549901761525773152010-05-18T22:21:23.053+01:002010-05-18T22:21:23.053+01:00There is no "our" here.
TF is asking in...<i>There is no "our" here.</i><br /><br />TF is asking in regards to your previous comment which was:<br /><br /><i>Then what's a compelling site? The one that feeds <b>our</b> seclusion and tribal understanding of things?</i><br /><br />I suspect TF does not agree that he has a "tribal understanding" of Islam, whatever in the world that means.<br /><br />PAPilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-82758337469893475902010-05-18T21:49:05.959+01:002010-05-18T21:49:05.959+01:00"Who is our"
There is no "our"..."Who is our"<br /><br />There is no "our" here. Should there be one (or a question like that), probably it would have to be answered by you because it is you who dismissed Loonwatch outright without giving an explanation. And I used it as a link on some quotes on Robert.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-54664766205957485522010-05-18T21:40:33.776+01:002010-05-18T21:40:33.776+01:00To add, I believe an intelligent person can deciph...To add, I believe an intelligent person can decipher for him/herself what's an intellectual input from lazy dishonest input. And can determine what's biased and what's not. Two things should be clear here:<br /><br />1. Butler's assertion that there is no good book on Christianity by Muslims because they are biased should also mean there is no good book on Islam by Christians Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-53376734838119700552010-05-18T21:36:03.568+01:002010-05-18T21:36:03.568+01:00"Then what's a compelling site? The one t..."Then what's a compelling site? The one that feeds our seclusion and tribal understanding of things?"<br /><br />Who is our?<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-12477590338581583502010-05-18T21:26:59.933+01:002010-05-18T21:26:59.933+01:00Then what's a compelling site? The one that fe...Then what's a compelling site? The one that feeds our seclusion and tribal understanding of things? The one that consoles our already determined world view? I love it. Call it intellectual dishonesty (or poverty). And by the way, Loonwatch pointed out what other people said about Robert. If even quoting them is not compelling, then that makes it easy to digest what would make you happy. May Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-22104416688831426492010-05-18T20:11:50.117+01:002010-05-18T20:11:50.117+01:00Anonymous:
Loonwatch.com is hardly a compelling s...Anonymous:<br /><br />Loonwatch.com is hardly a compelling site.<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-19746313001820274202010-05-18T19:50:45.133+01:002010-05-18T19:50:45.133+01:00Butler,
"Of the stuff I have read, the writ...Butler, <br /><br /><i>"Of the stuff I have read, the writer depends heavily upon apostate Christian "scholarship," out of date higher critical arguments, and cranky atheist arguments as their sources to criticize the Bible and Christianity."</i><br /><br />And what evidence do you have that Robert Spencer (and ilk) doesn't depend on apostate Muslim scholarship or taking Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com