tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post2580999426161265661..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: The Sin-Forgiving GodTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-52066094739290808452010-06-19T08:43:05.019+01:002010-06-19T08:43:05.019+01:00My absolute favorite evidence of the divinity of t...My absolute favorite evidence of the divinity of the Lord Jesus is Isa 9:6<br /><br />"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18051278789963245964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-77875850072045831192010-06-18T03:20:32.799+01:002010-06-18T03:20:32.799+01:00TVG19,
Since you are not willing to hear the trut...TVG19,<br /><br />Since you are not willing to hear the truth about your sin and rebellion, and the condemnation you abide under because of your rejection of the <b><i>Truth</i></b>, perhaps you would enlighten us about your Islamic beliefs about Jesus Christ?<br /><br />You accept the virgin birth of Jesus, correct?<br /><br />You accept the miracles of Jesus, correct?<br /><br />You accept thatCoram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-29781094463061181372010-06-17T20:48:41.670+01:002010-06-17T20:48:41.670+01:00thegrandverbalizer19,
You said: Using the method ...thegrandverbalizer19,<br /><br /><b>You said</b>: <i>Using the method of Sola Scriptura what are the text that show Israel is spiritual?</i><br /><br />Coram Deo already provided Romans 9:6-7 but here are some additional texts (ESV translation):<br /><br /><i>Romans 2:28-29</i>: For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, Soshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15578575562668361209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-53343125148245071722010-06-16T20:38:28.540+01:002010-06-16T20:38:28.540+01:00TGV19,
to chime in on TF's parade with you, y...TGV19,<br /><br />to chime in on TF's parade with you, you make, as far as I am concerned, the most revelant comment to date with regard to these various threads we have been exchanging ideas and reasonings back and forth with one another:<br /><br />"TGV19 said: So this is why I am do not believe this post made an especially strong case for the diety of Jesus."<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-11847817191274745352010-06-16T19:03:17.784+01:002010-06-16T19:03:17.784+01:00Lord willing, I will provide some additional direc...Lord willing, I will provide some additional <i>direct</i> or <i>explicit</i> testimonies to Jesus being the Son of God in a new post.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-68727596062201720792010-06-16T19:01:20.654+01:002010-06-16T19:01:20.654+01:00With the name of God, Peace be unto those who foll...With the name of God, Peace be unto those who follow the guidance from their Lord.<br /><br />TF: You seem to think that the crowd is saying that God gave power to Jesus and other men. That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that God gave Jesus (who is the power) to men. Do you see that alternative way of looking at it?<br /><br />I do see your way of looking at it. I wouldthegrandverbalizer19https://www.blogger.com/profile/15600393095781979367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-23985919023544185402010-06-16T18:46:44.851+01:002010-06-16T18:46:44.851+01:00With the name of God, Peace be unto those who foll...With the name of God, Peace be unto those who follow the guidance from their Lord.<br /><br />Coram Deo I would say I am suprised by your erratic behavior and response but actually I am not. I have heard it all before.<br /><br />You started off with "I do pray that the Lord might be gracious to you and open your eyes to the glorious gospel of grace."<br /><br />In a previous post and thegrandverbalizer19https://www.blogger.com/profile/15600393095781979367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-22214167673237852772010-06-16T16:44:06.690+01:002010-06-16T16:44:06.690+01:00TGV19,
I will be bold and state I believe you are...TGV19,<br /><br />I will be bold and state I believe you are being drawn out of darkness into His Marvelous Light by the "Holy Spirit".<br /><br />You wrote in response to TF, I believe, above, this:<br /><br />"It can be said just the same that Jesus was guided by the Holy Ghost. Rather or not the Holy Ghost is God is probably best left for another post."<br /><br />One Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-25150864939468931352010-06-16T14:37:19.442+01:002010-06-16T14:37:19.442+01:00TGV19:
I had asked:"Do you think that the &q...TGV19:<br /><br />I had asked:"Do you think that the "power" to which they refer is not Jesus but something else?"<br /><br />You responded: "The point from the text is that the power that refers to Jesus can refer to others other than him. Hince they glorified GOD who gave such power unto Men (Jesus included)."<br /><br />You seem to think that the crowd is saying Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-64704912724302590962010-06-16T12:36:15.594+01:002010-06-16T12:36:15.594+01:00TGV19 asked: Using the method of Sola Scriptura wh...TGV19 asked: <i>Using the method of Sola Scriptura what are the text that show Israel is spiritual?</i><br /><br />TGV19, somehow I don't believe you have any real interest in Sola Scriptura, or else you would not be a Muslim who spends his time arguing against Christians, denying the truth claims of Jesus Christ, and rejecting the One True and Living God of the Holy Bible in favor of your Coram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-20888166705119545092010-06-16T07:19:24.161+01:002010-06-16T07:19:24.161+01:00With the name of God, Peace be unto those who foll...With the name of God, Peace be unto those who follow the guidance from their Lord...<br /><br /> Ryan D. McConnell said,<br /><br />"Also, do note that a distinction is also made by most non-dispensationalists between the ethnic, national Israel and the true, spiritual Israel"<br /><br />Using the method of Sola Scriptura what are the text that show Israel is spiritual?<br /><br />By thegrandverbalizer19https://www.blogger.com/profile/15600393095781979367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-36187937716895388722010-06-16T04:15:19.343+01:002010-06-16T04:15:19.343+01:00thegrandverbalizer19,
You said: This does little ...thegrandverbalizer19,<br /><br /><b>You said</b>: <i>This does little to help us establish that Jesus forgave sins beyond Israel. We all know that Calvinist interpretation of John 3:16 that the world means 'the elect'.</i><br /><br />Actually, no, that's not the typical Calvinist interpretation. The typical Calvinist interpretation is just as your objecting to. "World" thereSoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15578575562668361209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-44809925013595155782010-06-16T04:14:35.344+01:002010-06-16T04:14:35.344+01:00thegrandverbalizer19,
You said: This does little ...thegrandverbalizer19,<br /><br /><b>You said</b>: <i>This does little to help us establish that Jesus forgave sins beyond Israel. We all know that Calvinist interpretation of John 3:16 that the world means 'the elect'.</i><br /><br />Actually, no, that's not the typical Calvinist interpretation. The typical Calvinist interpretation is just as your objecting to. "World" thereSoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15578575562668361209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-86806033352282002132010-06-16T03:06:31.451+01:002010-06-16T03:06:31.451+01:00With the name of God, Peace be unto those who foll...With the name of God, Peace be unto those who follow the guidance from their Lord.<br /><br />TF: "We are not told whether this is because he thought that prophets were given a gift of discernment, or whether the woman's clothing gave her away."<br /><br />You are correct that point is not made clear.<br /><br />"But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified Godthegrandverbalizer19https://www.blogger.com/profile/15600393095781979367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-8615705053147776932010-06-16T00:19:13.511+01:002010-06-16T00:19:13.511+01:00Yes, Ryan. It is quite key.Yes, Ryan. It is quite key.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-89355506879199349012010-06-14T20:47:45.427+01:002010-06-14T20:47:45.427+01:00I am beginning to see the importance of recognizin...I am beginning to see the importance of recognizing not only that our sins are forgiven in Christ but the way in which they are forgiven in Christ. Until recently, I did not realize that RCs rejected penal substitution, and yet it appears quite evident that they HAVE to reject it in order to maintain their charge of legal fiction with regards to imputed righteousness. If they didn't reject Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07883500968749756873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-23165332783287964902010-06-14T16:36:50.107+01:002010-06-14T16:36:50.107+01:00TGV19 wrote: "Please note that the passage in...TGV19 wrote: "Please note that the passage in Luke does little to establish the 'divinity' of Jesus. Infact a good argument from the passage can made to show that the woman is divinity herself!"<br /><br />I'm not sure I understand what argument you think can be made for the woman being divinity herself.<br /><br />TGV19 wrote: "Note that the Pharisees obviously didn&#Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-49202709458519967042010-06-14T16:06:22.446+01:002010-06-14T16:06:22.446+01:00Kate,
I believe Kate, you bring into focus an imp...Kate,<br /><br />I believe Kate, you bring into focus an important distinction between the two "gods", The God of the Bible, and the god the Bible teaches us is "the" false god.<br /><br />I repeatedly say to those who hear there is no where in the Bible where the Holy Spirit teaches us the "Devil" is willing to die for us so that we will whole heartedly worship him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-34661804214894827762010-06-14T13:44:36.532+01:002010-06-14T13:44:36.532+01:00Kate:
You asked: "So my question is, what ex...Kate:<br /><br />You asked: "So my question is, what exactly was the forgiveness Jesus himself offered people - was it like that forgiveness of the OT, forgiveness based on what he was going to accomplish at Calvary?"<br /><br />Yes. Just as the Lord's Supper, when initiated, pointed forward to the cross - so also all of the forgiveness Christ gave was based on the cross.<br /><br Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-48554712062686283082010-06-14T00:53:14.403+01:002010-06-14T00:53:14.403+01:00I was part of a cult for many years, and one of th...I was part of a cult for many years, and one of the core doctrines was that Jesus did NOT have to die for the forgiveness of our sins, and their "proof" for that was how Jesus forgave sins before the crucifixion. I think even some liberal protestants like Leslie Weatherhead taught that. So my question is, what exactly was the forgiveness Jesus himself offered people - was it like Katenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-47858525874557433592010-06-13T18:23:14.010+01:002010-06-13T18:23:14.010+01:00With the name of God, Peace be unto those who foll...With the name of God, Peace be unto those who follow the guidance from their Lord.<br /><br />Please note that the passage in Luke does little to establish the 'divinity' of Jesus. Infact a good argument from the passage can made to show that the woman is divinity herself!<br /><br /><br />Note that the Pharisees obviously didn't think that a person was divine because they could thegrandverbalizer19https://www.blogger.com/profile/15600393095781979367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-91452480860908176382010-06-13T16:48:47.702+01:002010-06-13T16:48:47.702+01:00Excellent today TF!
Yes indeed, let those who are...Excellent today TF!<br /><br />Yes indeed, let those who are forgiven and have received and continue to receive forgiveness give thanks and praise the Lord continually, daily!!<br /><br />Let our hearts be merry even though our sins find us out.<br /><br />Let's not forget that we are discussing two "God" established ways God forgives us "all" of our "sins". The Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-68915295781052169252010-06-13T15:37:52.521+01:002010-06-13T15:37:52.521+01:00TGV19:
I used the King James Version for all the ...TGV19:<br /><br />I used the King James Version for all the Scripture quotations, including the quotation of Mark 2:1-12.<br /><br />You asked: "Another thought is it not dishonest on behalf of Christians to ask Muslims how we get our sins forgiven without some kind of atoning blood sacrifice."<br /><br />No, it's not dishonest. Why would you think that it was dishonest?<br /><br /Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-83023386762264410302010-06-13T13:40:45.507+01:002010-06-13T13:40:45.507+01:00With the name of God, Peace be unto those who foll...With the name of God, Peace be unto those who follow the guidance from their Lord.<br /><br />TF I was curious about your translation of Mark 2:1-12 could you please provide me the translation that you are using for this particular citation? <br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />Another thought is it not dishonest on behalf of Christians to ask Muslims how we get our sins forgiven without some kind of thegrandverbalizer19https://www.blogger.com/profile/15600393095781979367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-43524342433636164022010-06-13T13:02:28.523+01:002010-06-13T13:02:28.523+01:00David:
I agree with the traditional Reformed answ...David:<br /><br />I agree with the traditional Reformed answer, namely that there is only one way, truth and life: Jesus Christ.<br /><br />Those whose sins were forgiven were forgiven through Christ's sacrifice, which was pictured in the bloody Old Testament sacrifices and sacraments, just as it is pictured in the bloodless New Testament sacraments.<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.com