tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post2677513155720971868..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: 'Tis Tradition, Stop vs. Thus the Bible SaysTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-32053154197955058592007-10-12T15:16:00.000+01:002007-10-12T15:16:00.000+01:00Dear Orthodox,I'm not sure why you think that a re...Dear Orthodox,<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure why you think that a <I>res ipsa locquitur</I> defense is not enough for a qualified "rough" characterization.<BR/><BR/>Then again, considering that your objection was: "If we both affirm scripture, and since the church is not scripture, I can't be sola-church since I affirm something other than the church," it seems that you simply do not understand the labelTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-7683870325446412222007-10-12T14:47:00.000+01:002007-10-12T14:47:00.000+01:00Sounds to me like you can't defend the label, but ...Sounds to me like you can't defend the label, but it makes a nice sound bite.orthodoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09445301151975209564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-17209833252865034522007-10-12T04:57:00.000+01:002007-10-12T04:57:00.000+01:00One gentlemen commented that the debate seemed "un...One gentlemen commented that the debate seemed "unorganized," but I inadvertently rejected the comment. If the gentleman would care to elaborate, I'd be happy to repost the criticism.<BR/><BR/>-TurretinfanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-18666093086904620782007-10-12T04:31:00.000+01:002007-10-12T04:31:00.000+01:00Dear O:Obviously, I think the debate will more or ...Dear O:<BR/><BR/>Obviously, I think the debate will more or less speak for itself as to whether the shoe fits or not.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure why you would be bothered by the label.<BR/><BR/>-TurretinfanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-12518405115835786862007-10-12T04:27:00.000+01:002007-10-12T04:27:00.000+01:00G: For starters, Sola Scriptura means that Scriptu...G: For starters, Sola Scriptura means that Scripture alone is infallible, not that it excludes the use of tradition. Tradition is simply a fallible rule with respect to faith and practice. You have been corrected on this more times than I can remember. You're in a debate, Orthodox, it's time for you to own up to this.<BR/><BR/>O: Nothing to own up to, since I haven't misrepresented anyone. Do youorthodoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09445301151975209564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-52832065886068591492007-10-12T04:18:00.000+01:002007-10-12T04:18:00.000+01:00T: The short answer is that you deny the sufficien...T: The short answer is that you deny the sufficiency of Scripture but assert the sufficiency of the "tradition" of your church.<BR/><BR/>O: Then call it sola-tradition, if you like.<BR/><BR/>But if sola-tradition is the same as sola-ecclesia, then your following of written tradition makes you also sola ecclesia.orthodoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09445301151975209564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-49993955823040782002007-10-12T01:33:00.000+01:002007-10-12T01:33:00.000+01:00Give us your 30 second spiel on why my position is...<I>Give us your 30 second spiel on why my position is sola ecclesia.<BR/><BR/>And where did your knowledge of the canon of scripture come from?<BR/><BR/>If you say the Holy Spirit, I can say the same about Tradition.<BR/><BR/>If you say the Church, I accuse you of sola ecclesia.<BR/><BR/>If you say the Fathers, I accuse you of sola patristics.<BR/><BR/>If you say from your own knowledge, I accuseGeneMBridgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504383610477532374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-21877575288775762742007-10-12T01:31:00.000+01:002007-10-12T01:31:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.GeneMBridgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504383610477532374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-36212004502325754822007-10-11T17:59:00.000+01:002007-10-11T17:59:00.000+01:00Orthodox's latest answer would seem to indicate th...<A HREF="http://turretindebate.blogspot.com/2007/10/tradition-is-most-properly-reference-to.html" REL="nofollow">Orthodox's latest answer</A> would seem to indicate that Sola Ecclesia is perfectly applicable.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-2903174344646011642007-10-11T13:08:00.000+01:002007-10-11T13:08:00.000+01:00"Give us your 30 second spiel on why my position i..."Give us your 30 second spiel on why my position is sola ecclesia."<BR/><BR/>The short answer is that you deny the sufficiency of Scripture but assert the sufficiency of the "tradition" of your church.<BR/><BR/>I think we've already been over the canon issue. <BR/><BR/>-TurretinfanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-80524937989028459932007-10-11T12:33:00.000+01:002007-10-11T12:33:00.000+01:00Give us your 30 second spiel on why my position is...Give us your 30 second spiel on why my position is sola ecclesia. <BR/><BR/>And where did your knowledge of the canon of scripture come from?<BR/><BR/>If you say the Holy Spirit, I can say the same about Tradition. <BR/><BR/>If you say the Church, I accuse you of sola ecclesia.<BR/><BR/>If you say the Fathers, I accuse you of sola patristics.<BR/><BR/>If you say from your own knowledge, I accuse orthodoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09445301151975209564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-52553882130256406592007-10-11T06:50:00.000+01:002007-10-11T06:50:00.000+01:00Of course we are going to disagree about some of t...Of course we are going to disagree about some of the characterizations - hence the "roughly."<BR/><BR/>Your comments hopefully will be clear enough that people won't think you hold to a view you don't!<BR/><BR/>-TurretinfanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-7495248080414780872007-10-11T06:36:00.000+01:002007-10-11T06:36:00.000+01:00Sola Ecclesia is not a defensible characterization...Sola Ecclesia is not a defensible characterization.orthodoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09445301151975209564noreply@blogger.com