tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post3536525198177739743..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Amyraldianism and the Canons of DordtTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-14414136588292161552009-01-03T06:33:00.000+00:002009-01-03T06:33:00.000+00:00"One final issue, a question for you.At Error 6, c..."One final issue, a question for you.<BR/><BR/>At Error 6, concluding remarks just before the point in the article about Article 8, there, we read:<BR/><BR/>".....The redemption is obtained for those to whom it is to be applied."<BR/><BR/>This is a horse pill to large for Arminians to swallow, right?"<BR/><BR/>Apparently so ... or at least ... they don't like the idea that the redemption was not Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-62828050666780538882008-12-31T01:52:00.000+00:002008-12-31T01:52:00.000+00:00Ok, TF, good work here!One final issue, a question...Ok, TF, good work here!<BR/><BR/>One final issue, a question for you.<BR/><BR/>At Error 6, concluding remarks just before the point in the article about Article 8, there, we read:<BR/><BR/>".....The redemption is obtained for those to whom it is to be applied."<BR/><BR/>This is a horse pill to large for Arminians to swallow, right?<BR/><BR/>So, are you saying that Amyraldians tend to congregate Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-80295419457353017282008-12-31T01:12:00.000+00:002008-12-31T01:12:00.000+00:00TF, I'm back and going over this article.I wish to...TF, I'm back and going over this article.<BR/><BR/>I wish to make a comment and point regarding these words: <BR/><BR/>"....Indeed, since - in the Amyraldian position - the atonement is suspended on the hypothesis of faith, if no one has faith, the atonement is perfect with zero scope."<BR/><BR/>Consider something about "Faith".<BR/><BR/>Luk 16:16 "The Law and the Prophets were until John; sinceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-49065935497075247642008-12-30T21:46:00.000+00:002008-12-30T21:46:00.000+00:00From the beginning of the article: "The Amyra...From the beginning of the article: "The Amyraldian position, per Dabney, is that "God decreed from eternity, to create the human race, to permit the fall; then in His infinite compassion, to send Christ to atone for every human being’s sins, (conditioned on his believing); but also foreseeing that all, in consequence of total depravity and the bondage of their will, would inevitably Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-27144257396568719502008-12-30T17:40:00.000+00:002008-12-30T17:40:00.000+00:00Yes, the whole body is what I meant. But, of cour...Yes, the whole body is what I meant. But, of course, that was when you used that word "speculative" as an apparent synonym for "involved" or "complicated."<BR/><BR/>Now, I see that it was just a word for expressing your disagreement. You opinion is noted.<BR/><BR/>-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-75125823237018478792008-12-30T17:28:00.000+00:002008-12-30T17:28:00.000+00:00Really? The entire body of scholasticism? Or just ...Really? The entire body of scholasticism? Or just the Reformation body of scholasticism would disagree with me? Or bits and pieces of pre-Reformation scholasticism, so-called? <BR/><BR/>I should have specified that I was referring to theoretical Reformation orders of decree. That would have helped, but your reply is intriguing. Do elaborate.<BR/><BR/>As to my point, with my caveat, I mean that Mike Burgesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00854620298988801571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-66326099223206698262008-12-30T13:37:00.000+00:002008-12-30T13:37:00.000+00:00I would think the entire body of scholasticism wou...I would think the entire body of scholasticism would tend to disagree with you, if by "speculative" you simply mean that careful thought is required. If you mean "speculative" in the usual sense, none of the proposed orders of decrees are "speculative."<BR/><BR/>-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-3651791507736822262008-12-30T00:42:00.000+00:002008-12-30T00:42:00.000+00:00Speculative orders of decrees are the root of the ...Speculative orders of decrees are the root of the problem.Mike Burgesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00854620298988801571noreply@blogger.com