tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post3565951238795042100..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Mark Shea on Me on Hitchens and FryTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-87756296847047449712009-12-24T05:01:58.989+00:002009-12-24T05:01:58.989+00:00"How about comment box dialogues. Do you thin..."How about comment box dialogues. Do you think they also simply show who is more rhetorically skilled? If so, why do you participate?"<br /><br />To tell the truth, I often have mixed feelings (and thoughts) regarding the usefulness of combox discussion. On the one hand, I find that people who regularly read philosophy and theology blogs tend to be set in their ways. I have yet to seeAlphonsusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-20325773177956339512009-12-24T00:31:17.382+00:002009-12-24T00:31:17.382+00:00Alphonsus:
How about comment box dialogues. Do y...Alphonsus:<br /><br />How about comment box dialogues. Do you think they also simply show who is more rhetorically skilled? If so, why do you participate?Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-66666003210192153322009-12-23T02:27:11.960+00:002009-12-23T02:27:11.960+00:00"What makes you think Luther lost against Eck..."What makes you think Luther lost against Eck?"<br /><br />Same standard as the recent U.K. debate: public/audience opinion. Eck at Leipzig, like Hitchens and Fry, knew and worked his audience better than his opposition.<br />http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/351950/Martin-Luther/59846/Luther-Cajetan-and-Eck<br />http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05271b.htm<br />http://www.uv.es/Alphonsusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-33303417725339557962009-12-20T13:26:12.204+00:002009-12-20T13:26:12.204+00:00a) What makes you think Luther lost against Eck?
...a) What makes you think Luther lost against Eck?<br /><br />b) Luther's relationship to "Protestantism" is different than a Roman Catholic bishop's relationship to Rome. After all, the Roman Catholic church is a single institution, whereas "Protestantism" is a sociological category that includes many institutions.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-71347088829210077212009-12-20T05:29:36.688+00:002009-12-20T05:29:36.688+00:00"Catholic bishops, as members of the Magister..."Catholic bishops, as members of the Magisterium, do represent the institutional church as a whole. They are not just discrete particulars."<br /><br />The poor performance of a single bishop does not "count" against Catholicism any more than Luther's loss against Eck "counts" against Protestantism. If you are going to invoke Catholic ecclesiology (sp?), why notAlphonsusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-55440082965595193022009-11-30T00:33:07.459+00:002009-11-30T00:33:07.459+00:00Alex said...
"Steve, with that type of comme...Alex said...<br /><br />"Steve, with that type of commentary we can see how intellectually dishonest you really are due to your bias. One of the most used logical fallacies is using a particular and generalizing it to represent the universal."<br /><br />Catholic bishops, as members of the Magisterium, do represent the institutional church as a whole. They are not just discrete stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-36965969892306317942009-11-25T02:28:27.898+00:002009-11-25T02:28:27.898+00:00I saw nothing wrong with your commentary regarding...I saw nothing wrong with your commentary regarding that debate, and I was embarrassed with their poor performance and lack of specific facts. They should have known how Hitchens was going to approach the debate because his attitude and arguments are very well known. However, I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you to wait and see if Shea will revise his comments.<br /><br />Steve, with that type Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08353069946995823072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-11567169834281077612009-11-24T15:42:46.770+00:002009-11-24T15:42:46.770+00:00Yes, Shea and Armstrong are two different people. ...Yes, Shea and Armstrong are two different people. You're quite right about that.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-86890402522022975552009-11-24T15:26:10.906+00:002009-11-24T15:26:10.906+00:00"The moral of the story: you can't make f..."The moral of the story: you can't make folks with double standards happy."<br /><br />Shea isn't Armstrong. How can it be a double standard if they are actually two standards possessed by two different people?<br /><br />Madrid criticized the Catholic debaters but he did so sympathetically. He also thanked them for making the effort. In you post, on the other hand, it seemedAlphonsusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-54403366350103115372009-11-23T23:34:08.275+00:002009-11-23T23:34:08.275+00:00Actually, it's a fair question whether Roman C...Actually, it's a fair question whether Roman Catholic bishops, who are official spokesmen of the church, and some of whom are intelligent and well-educated men, can put up a good defense of their faith in a debate with atheists. That's a way of testing the intellectual resources, or lack thereof, of contemporary Catholicism.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.com