tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post3643586141762263276..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Rome's Translation RecordTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-75333385070051876612010-10-04T15:48:06.097+01:002010-10-04T15:48:06.097+01:00Amen, TF!
But I was responding to Yahya's mor...Amen, TF!<br /><br />But I was responding to Yahya's more focused question about why Christ allegedly never sanctioned a particular collection of books, when in fact He did [along with the other two Persons of the Triune One true and living God].<br /><br />In Him,<br />CDCoram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-56195524421235529412010-10-04T11:57:35.105+01:002010-10-04T11:57:35.105+01:00"Thus Christ sanctioned a particular set of b..."Thus Christ sanctioned a particular set of books, the 66 books of the Holy Bible."<br /><br />As did the Father ... but most precisely, the Holy Spirit did.<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-80267477541148421222010-10-04T05:14:28.208+01:002010-10-04T05:14:28.208+01:00Jesus was not bodily present during the time perio...<i>Jesus was not bodily present during the time period when the New Testament was written.</i><br /><br />Correct, He was omnipresent.<br /><br /><b>For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.</b> - Matt. 18:20<br /><br />And He superintended the NT Canon by the Holy Spirit sent in His Name:<br /><br /><b>But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my Coram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-76309451085708927782010-10-03T13:52:49.457+01:002010-10-03T13:52:49.457+01:00It made it into Ineffabilis Deus, the papal docume...It made it into <i>Ineffabilis Deus</i>, the papal document that defined the dogma of the Immaculate Conception:<br /><br />"Hence, just as Christ, the Mediator between God and man, assumed human nature, blotted the handwriting of the decree that stood against us, and fastened it triumphantly to the cross, so the most holy Virgin, united with him by a most intimate and indissoluble bond, wasTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-2070411483972621092010-10-03T07:33:39.151+01:002010-10-03T07:33:39.151+01:00TF, you mentioned the Marian dogmas... Are you say...TF, you mentioned the Marian dogmas... Are you saying that the error made it into an conciliar document, or do you merely mean that some people used it to push the dogma up to the counsel?<br /><br />Either way, this is pretty impressive.<br /><br />-Wmwtanksleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03283393679440645366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-8478640494738797212010-10-03T02:33:34.696+01:002010-10-03T02:33:34.696+01:00"Surely one should ask him/herself why Jesus ..."Surely one should ask him/herself why Jesus never sanctioned a particulr [sic] collection of books"<br /><br />Jesus authorized the Old Testament canon several ways: one was by referring to the collections, and another way by making reference to the first and last martyrs of the collection. He also referenced the book of Psalms, which is itself a collection of writings. Jesus was notTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-42334136968379419532010-10-03T02:21:27.366+01:002010-10-03T02:21:27.366+01:00Yes, Pastor Stellman. One might quite naturally t...Yes, Pastor Stellman. One might quite naturally think that. That was not the case.<br /><br />Canadian: the old Latin Vulgate was imagined to exist via the numerous Latin manuscripts and printings, not as any one of them. I don't see much point in countenancing the remainder of your unsupported assertions.<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-8844620114359091722010-10-03T02:17:32.638+01:002010-10-03T02:17:32.638+01:00Fredericka,
They tried to enforce it.
-TurretinF...Fredericka,<br /><br />They tried to enforce it.<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-48981005583028008652010-10-02T20:52:12.362+01:002010-10-02T20:52:12.362+01:00Canadian said, "...and that it shall not be l...Canadian said, "...and that it shall not be lawful for any one to print, or cause to be printed, any books whatever, on sacred matters, without the name of the author"<br /><br />This means no anonymous works? Did they enforce this?Frederickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071420764901945035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-51137561077841106132010-10-02T19:24:22.029+01:002010-10-02T19:24:22.029+01:00He stated: "One might even say that these mis...<i>He stated: "One might even say that these mistakes in translations only prove that the Catholic Church must authorize translations so as to avoid errors."</i><br /><br />Interesting. It would appear that Mr. Marshall is straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel! On the one hand we have Luther making a legitimate judgment call regarding a Greek translation. Context often colors a James Polkhttp://abidingtruth.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-6458862834412882752010-10-02T17:37:40.116+01:002010-10-02T17:37:40.116+01:00CD:
I wonder how in the world the Lord expected t...CD:<br /><br /><i>I wonder how in the world the Lord expected the Jews of His day to have possibly understood what scriptures they were supposed to search, and how He could have upbraided His disciples for being slow to believe all that was written about Him in the Law and Prophets when - based upon Trent's decrees - they couldn't possibly have known which OT books were canonical.</i><br Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-37252037533673410972010-10-02T17:16:50.322+01:002010-10-02T17:16:50.322+01:00Yahya,
Jesus did sanction a particular collection...Yahya,<br /><br />Jesus did sanction a particular collection of books, those books are known as the New Testament.<br /><br />Jesus commissioned His apostles and certain of their colleagues to record infallible Scripture as His duly appointed representatives.<br /><br />This fact is attested to by the Holy Spirit.<br /><br />The "big hurdle" for non-Christians isn't how this or thatCoram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-54896573546987457942010-10-02T15:47:56.862+01:002010-10-02T15:47:56.862+01:00I thought that "old Latin Vulgate" was a...I thought that "old Latin Vulgate" was a direct reference to Jerome's translation of the bible.<br /><br />John SellmanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-36555380084126533162010-10-02T13:35:21.686+01:002010-10-02T13:35:21.686+01:00Surely one should ask him/herself why Jesus never ...Surely one should ask him/herself why Jesus never sanctioned a particulr collection of books<br /><br />The NT books were all written down after Jesus - he never saw them<br /><br />This is a big hurdle for non-Christians. <br /><br />Do you folk believe everybody was in error (theologically) prior to Luther (1500's)?<br /><br />Again, it kind of comes full circle and we get back to asking Yahya Snowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18373097645466995642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-47683089878250973502010-10-02T02:43:40.142+01:002010-10-02T02:43:40.142+01:00Sad indeed, natamllc.
Sadder still is the fact th...Sad indeed, natamllc.<br /><br />Sadder still is the fact that the poor Jews had no idea what their own canon consisted of since Trent defined the apopcrypha/deuterocanonical books as "OT canon" in 1546.<br /><br />I wonder how in the world the Lord expected the Jews of His day to have possibly understood what scriptures they were supposed to search, and how He could have upbraided His Coram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-48096731548902115392010-10-02T01:24:34.819+01:002010-10-02T01:24:34.819+01:00It is sad that these truths about this matter don&...It is sad that these truths about this matter don't seem to have much of a toe hold with those these truths about this matter matters most!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com