tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post4074899572828050460..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Limited Atonement - Respone to AlbrechtTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-45675041444317666672009-05-26T15:29:29.027+01:002009-05-26T15:29:29.027+01:00The value of Christ's death as a sacrifice is suff...The value of Christ's death as a sacrifice is sufficient not only for all mankind that ever was or will be, but for an infinite number of such men. It was not intended or offered for those, but only for those whom Christ represented in his person on the cross.<br /><br />It is not a "this much atonement" for "that many people" situation (a purely commercial anlogy), but a penal substitution.<br Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-62100351095179530272009-05-26T15:26:19.052+01:002009-05-26T15:26:19.052+01:00I would say, if by Limited Atonement you hold to t...I would say, if by Limited Atonement you hold to the belief in an actuality of a purchased redemption in history, and an undergone substitutionary punishment, then the notion "sufficient for all" is quite meaningless. For what would "sufficient" mean here? In the Limited Atonement view, it has all been done. Finished. It's over. The sacrifice was due to particular individuals and it is even. And Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-49526525995406206442009-05-26T12:54:05.656+01:002009-05-26T12:54:05.656+01:00Actually, there are several flavors of universal a...Actually, there are several flavors of universal atonement. Some would try to adopt this maxim (like the Amyraldians), while others would recognize that their theology dictates that the atonement have efficiency for all in order to make salvation "possible," according to the sense they intend.<br /><br />But notice that I chose my words carefully: it is fully consistent with the Limited Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-88373654289649840972009-05-26T12:36:03.744+01:002009-05-26T12:36:03.744+01:00Mr. Albrecht fails to realizes that the "sufficien...Mr. Albrecht fails to realizes that the "sufficient for all, efficient for the elect" position is fully consistent with the Limited Atonement position<br />----<br /><br />That's the universal atonement view.<br /><br />-Another Anonymous in AmericaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com