tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post4645478875037217248..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Innocent from Man's Perspective or God's?Turretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-40072625072902152442008-12-23T01:09:00.000+00:002008-12-23T01:09:00.000+00:00I think the debate probably should have been longe...I think the debate probably should have been longer to be useful. Also, it was a bit disappointing to see the Peligian debater bringing in new arguments (like the historical argument) in the concluding speech. I think the Calvinist speaker made some good points, but the format made it difficult to provide detailed explanations in response to the arguments.<BR/><BR/>-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-1276974850795577582008-12-22T16:20:00.000+00:002008-12-22T16:20:00.000+00:00hello,curious to what you think about this debate ...hello,<BR/>curious to what you think about this debate that happened this saturday regarding "original sin". <BR/><BR/>it was verses the pelagian view of original sin:<BR/>http://www.blogtalkradio.com/RefiningFireRadio/2008/12/20/Original-Sin-DebateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-2050165255470986232008-04-26T23:07:00.000+01:002008-04-26T23:07:00.000+01:00Dear Luvvom,"David stating he would see his dead c...Dear Luvvom,<BR/><BR/>"David stating he would see his dead child one day is not enough Scripture on which to base a doctrine."<BR/><BR/>I'm not even sure he said he would see his dead child again - just that he would go to him, which could be equally interpreted as that David too would die.<BR/><BR/>"How do we not know that David said this of his own accord?"<BR/><BR/>That is one of my points ...Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-54941692077374763532008-04-26T22:55:00.000+01:002008-04-26T22:55:00.000+01:00"It is important to distinguish between accepting ..."It is important to distinguish between accepting God's providence for our dead children,"<BR/><BR/>David stating he would see his dead child one day is not enough Scripture on which to base a doctrine. How do we not know that David said this of his own accord? How do we know that it came from the Holy Spirit through David? Without other corroborating Scripture, we can't know. Therefore, I think Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-971861595459082622008-04-26T13:45:00.000+01:002008-04-26T13:45:00.000+01:00Dear Luvvom,It is important to distinguish between...Dear Luvvom,<BR/><BR/>It is important to distinguish between accepting God's providence for our dead children, and creating a doctrine from our own imagination.<BR/><BR/>And you are right, that a doctrine of automatic salvation of babies can quickly snowball into plainly erroneous doctrines, such as doctrines of the salvation of unevangelized savages.<BR/><BR/>-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-24805466508386091942008-04-26T05:22:00.000+01:002008-04-26T05:22:00.000+01:00This is truly a difficult subject to debate. I car...This is truly a difficult subject to debate. I care nothing of injuring grieving parents...I don't feel it furthers the kingdom. However, if one believes that there is such a thing as elect infants who never hear the Gospel and never confess with their mouths, then one is not protected from those who claim a person in the jungle who is of the elect and who never hears the Gospel and never Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-10681678607009838672008-04-25T22:14:00.000+01:002008-04-25T22:14:00.000+01:00Dear Ken,Thanks for your comment. I've gone back ...Dear Ken,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comment. I've gone back and forth about how properly to understand both David's comments about his lost son and whether they should be viewed as adopted by Scripture or merely reported by Scripture. <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, his lost son clearly proves a rather different point, and one that hope to address soon.<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, when dealing with a Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-37084526350367237582008-04-25T17:41:00.000+01:002008-04-25T17:41:00.000+01:00I grant you the evidence is indirect, but I believ...I grant you the evidence is indirect, but I believe Scripture does affirm the election of one who died in infancy--David's first son by Bathsheba. David himself seems quite convinced he will see the child again.<BR/><BR/>Very nice blog, by the way. I visit frequently but I think I've commented just once before. Keep up the good work.Ken Abbotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01398980914190503708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-68952092633974531612008-04-23T14:05:00.000+01:002008-04-23T14:05:00.000+01:00As far as babies go, I teach what the confession t...As far as babies go, I teach what the confession teaches, namely that elect infants go to heaven.<BR/><BR/>Whether God has elected all, some, or no infants (who die in infancy) is something he has not revealed in Scripture.<BR/><BR/>God would be perfectly just to elect none, but - for those who are covenantal - God's promise to be a God to us and to our children can give believers hope that Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-90625676869722227002008-04-23T14:01:00.000+01:002008-04-23T14:01:00.000+01:00As best I understand, her reaction was to abandon ...As best I understand, her reaction was to abandon that particular verse and to turn to other verses.<BR/><BR/>-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-52747195568554508752008-04-23T12:09:00.000+01:002008-04-23T12:09:00.000+01:00So what was her reaction? Apparently, she doesn't ...So what was her reaction? Apparently, she doesn't believe in total depravity? <BR/><BR/>BTW, do you believe all babies go to heaven or even some?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com