tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post4687111401092365055..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Murder Update - Progress with Caveat in OklahomaTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-41142891324855263622007-06-03T15:18:00.000+01:002007-06-03T15:18:00.000+01:00Anonymous,I had asked: "That, of course, is not th...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>I had asked: "That, of course, is not the entire picture of Jesus' earthly ministry. Nor is Jesus' earthly ministry the entire picture of God's relationship to man. Do you recognize those two facts or do you deny them?"<BR/><BR/>Rather than answer that question, you replied: "You are getting at something, but you don't seem too inclined to come out and say it. What is the Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-80940757488659322902007-06-03T07:01:00.000+01:002007-06-03T07:01:00.000+01:00You say: That, of course, is not the entire pictur...You say: That, of course, is not the entire picture of Jesus' earthly ministry. Nor is Jesus' earthly ministry the entire picture of God's relationship to man. Do you recognize those two facts or do you deny them?"<BR/><BR/>You are getting at something, but you don't seem too inclined to come out and say it.<BR/><BR/>What is the dark, secret side to caring for others that I'm missing?<BR/><BR/>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-86617190716956603822007-06-02T15:06:00.000+01:002007-06-02T15:06:00.000+01:00Anonymous,I asked you one question in my last comm...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>I asked you one question in my last comment, and that was: "In what way do you suppose he cares for people?"<BR/><BR/>Your response was: "Jesus cared for people by feeding them, telling them stories and parables, affectionately holding children to Himself, tending to their physical ailments, spending time visiting and talking to them, grieving with and for them in times of Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-11285318672616507102007-06-02T04:55:00.000+01:002007-06-02T04:55:00.000+01:00"I respond: He cares for people, but not necessari..."I respond: He cares for people, but not necessarily in the way that you imagine he cares for people. But let's take this out of the hypothetical. In what way do you suppose he cares for people?"<BR/><BR/>I don't have to imagine, because Jesus (whose popularity amongst Calvinists seems decidedly guarded) showed us what to do. <BR/><BR/>If you believe in the deity of Jesus and that He meant what Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-83871926828824845932007-06-01T14:20:00.000+01:002007-06-01T14:20:00.000+01:00Dear Anonymous:You wrote above: "I know that God c...Dear Anonymous:<BR/><BR/>You wrote above: "I know that God cares for people. Now I am trying to figure out if you do."<BR/><BR/>I respond: <B>He cares for people, but not necessarily in the way that you imagine he cares for people. But let's take this out of the hypothetical. In what way do you suppose he cares for people?</B><BR/><BR/>You wrote above: "My statement above is not what I believe.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-35058217968450312512007-06-01T06:55:00.000+01:002007-06-01T06:55:00.000+01:00But anonymous continues: "Since the babies were to...But anonymous continues: "Since the babies were totally depraved, killing them is something akin to wiping out a pestilent moth in the larval stage, before it behaves in depraved ways with your shrubbery in its adult morph."<BR/><BR/>I respond: Perhaps that is so in your eyes, but not in God's eyes. There is a real difference between killing a man and killing a moth.<BR/><BR/>I know that God Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-52078078082512089942007-05-28T19:49:00.000+01:002007-05-28T19:49:00.000+01:00Anonymous wrote:"So it is a justice issue in regar...Anonymous wrote:"So it is a justice issue in regards to the perpetrators that has you concerned? Fine with me. I'm just trying to get you to clarify your point."<BR/><BR/>I would hope most people who read this blog would recognize that it is progress when the state stops supporting murder of unborn children, but that the progress should continue, and that the exclusion in Oklahoma is bizarre.<BR/Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-57821214969752984532007-05-28T18:05:00.000+01:002007-05-28T18:05:00.000+01:00"I am disappointed that America continues to permi..."I am disappointed that America continues to permit children to be murdered, without executing the willing mothers and their hired thugs the abortion doctors."<BR/><BR/>Yace? So it is a justice issue in regards to the perpetrators that has you concerned? Fine with me. I'm just trying to get you to clarify your point.<BR/><BR/>"Capital punishment for intentional murder should not exclude the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-53787263949269274402007-05-28T16:03:00.000+01:002007-05-28T16:03:00.000+01:00In re-reading your comment (you seem to have poste...In re-reading your comment (you seem to have posted it twice), I thought that these two lines deserved further response:<BR/><BR/>"Less sinners to do evil in the world, right?"<BR/><BR/>That has nothing to do with it. Even the evil of sinners works to the good of the elect. Recall Joseph's experience.<BR/><BR/>And this: "According to your theology, the babies were totally depraved and their Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-17538040454912432872007-05-28T15:55:00.000+01:002007-05-28T15:55:00.000+01:00Dear (Second) Anonymous,a) I don't think a careful...Dear (Second) Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>a) I don't think a careful read of my post would suggest "outrage" nor was that my intent.<BR/><BR/>I am pointing out that Oklahoma made some minor progress, but that they did so with an exception that makes no sense in American jurisprudence.<BR/><BR/>It's particularly interesting to note that Oklahoma REJECTED a previous proposal that did not include this Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-16789428845201786752007-05-28T07:02:00.000+01:002007-05-28T07:02:00.000+01:00Are you outraged by the death of the babies, the s...Are you outraged by the death of the babies, the sin of the parents or the involvement of the state government?<BR/><BR/>According to your theology, the babies were totally depraved and their fate was predetermined, so I can't imagine you are outraged that they are dead. Less sinners to do evil in the world, right?<BR/><BR/>So it must be one of the other two issues you're fretting over. Are youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-65407353348000507992007-05-28T07:01:00.000+01:002007-05-28T07:01:00.000+01:00Are you outraged by the death of the babies, the s...Are you outraged by the death of the babies, the sin of the parents or the involvement of the state government?<BR/><BR/>According to your theology, the babies were totally depraved and their fate was predetermined, so I can't imagine you are outraged that they are dead. Less sinners to do evil in the world, right?<BR/><BR/>So it must be one of the other two issues you're fretting over. Are youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-37717848777887261152007-05-25T20:12:00.000+01:002007-05-25T20:12:00.000+01:00The babies are allowed die for the sins of their l...The babies are allowed die for the sins of their literal fathers (rape/incest) and by the sins of their literal mothers (murder).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com