tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post5513522004519762557..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Biologos is Not "One of Us"Turretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger100125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-66537763063902176822016-12-16T03:24:47.768+00:002016-12-16T03:24:47.768+00:00Good day! I was so impressed to see a very well-pr...Good day! I was so impressed to see a very well-presented dishes that is absolutely tasty<br />and delicious. You've done a great job.Well, thank you for sharing your talent and article<br />it is very well appreciated. You can also visit my site if you have time.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.triciajoy.com" rel="nofollow">triciajoy.com</a><br /><br />www.triciajoy.comandrea chiuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04035532519352427999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-65816660859001085582010-12-21T21:46:02.122+00:002010-12-21T21:46:02.122+00:00Anonymous:
I'm glad to hear that you are not ...Anonymous:<br /><br />I'm glad to hear that you are not a theistic evolutionist.<br /><br />You are mistaken about the dating systems. Here's a simple test: how many allow for the possibility that a miracle - a change in the laws of nature - occurred between the present and the date they are trying to obtain?<br /><br />Of course, the answer is that none of them do. None of them even Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-21746713223533247392010-12-21T21:02:23.788+00:002010-12-21T21:02:23.788+00:00I believe theistic evolution is wrong and am an in...I believe theistic evolution is wrong and am an inerrentist. I think the main reason many people go to Biologos is because they are fed up with the anti-intellectualism of much of American Christianity--THE EARTH IS OLD. Yes, I have studied the dating methods and there are no "naturalistic" assumptions in most if not all of them. God is not trying to fool us.<br />Check out reasons.org.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-2872116746119160312010-07-21T21:04:28.994+01:002010-07-21T21:04:28.994+01:00Yes, it denies it the same way that saying "W...Yes, it denies it the same way that saying "We believe in the resurrection of Christ" would be negated by a follow-up comment that says "where resuscitation from a swoon is the way that Christ was resurrected."<br /><br />Just as swoon theories of the crucifixion and resurrection are naturalistic alternatives to the miracle of the Resurrection, so also evolution theories of Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-37810679398763055792010-07-21T20:48:52.361+01:002010-07-21T20:48:52.361+01:00Oops. I'm sorry. I forgot to indicate where my...Oops. I'm sorry. I forgot to indicate where my quote from Biologos's website came from: http://biologos.org/about.<br /><br />In Christ,<br />BenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-78058477153473922282010-07-21T20:46:29.192+01:002010-07-21T20:46:29.192+01:00I’m trying to understand something, so maybe someo...I’m trying to understand something, so maybe someone can help me with this.<br /><br />Someone please explain to me how this statement (or any other statement from Biologos) denies “the central Christian tenet of Creation”: “We also believe that evolution, properly understood, best describes God’s work of creation.”<br /><br />In Christ,<br />BenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-32630798220623712642010-07-14T05:28:52.845+01:002010-07-14T05:28:52.845+01:00Anon said: At least people of Biologos make an eff...Anon said: <i>At least people of Biologos make an effort. Fundamentalists seem to be living in their own world, which is about 1,000 years behind the rest of the planet.</i><br /><br />Augustine was rebuking ignorant and unlearned professing believers who taught error and misused the scriptures to support their false assertions, being in error on both accounts [both natural and special revelationCoram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-17810122735439811842010-07-14T02:31:00.639+01:002010-07-14T02:31:00.639+01:00We're still teaching the same teaching we taug...We're still teaching the same teaching we taught when Adam and Eve explained things to Seth.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-6096422536720534002010-07-14T00:18:30.962+01:002010-07-14T00:18:30.962+01:00"Usually, even a non-Christian knows somethin..."Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-28974398198431621362010-07-12T23:26:13.044+01:002010-07-12T23:26:13.044+01:00TF,
The really delicious part is that he called m...TF,<br /><br />The really delicious part is that he called my comment an absurdity, and followed that up with his best Gold Hat" impersonation.<br /><br /><b><i>"Context?</i> We ain't got no <i>context</i>. We don't need no <i>context</i>! I don't have to show you any stinkin' <i>context</i>!"</b><br /><br />Fantastico, mi amigo!<br /><br />en Cristo,<br />CDCoram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-59473591335383798692010-07-12T16:58:53.780+01:002010-07-12T16:58:53.780+01:00"If we have the 'the plain and simple fac..."If we have the 'the plain and simple face-value meanings of the words', what do we need context for?"<br /><br />This seems like confirmation (if we needed any) that the original comment was part of an attack on a straw man position.<br /><br />Does he really think we don't believe we need to look at the context to discern the plain meaning of things?<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-82657592599468670732010-07-10T14:32:44.977+01:002010-07-10T14:32:44.977+01:00Srnec,
I'll try using your words to avoid con...Srnec,<br /><br />I'll try using your words to avoid confusion.<br /><br />Assertion: <i>In this case there is serious inconsistency between Coram Deo's treatment of James' explicit text and his reference to the apparently un-analysable-ly simple text of Genesis 1.</i><br /><br />Reply: <i>There is nothing here but bare assertion. So I re-read what I wrote and I stand by everything. Coram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-45381686336110009462010-07-10T06:23:42.661+01:002010-07-10T06:23:42.661+01:00That's not a good start. You should go back an...<i>That's not a good start. You should go back and re-think. The rest of your discussion goes downhill from there.</i><br /><br />There is nothing here but bare assertion. So I re-read what I wrote and I stand by everything. But perhaps you just don't understand what I'm saying. <br /><br /><i>One is left wondering if your guest is familiar with the concept of "context".</i>Srnechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10474493908162946111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-21268238448490055052010-07-10T06:20:17.689+01:002010-07-10T06:20:17.689+01:00WHY THEISTIC EVOLUTION DOESN'T WORK<b><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZl0ZZR417A&feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">WHY THEISTIC EVOLUTION DOESN'T WORK</a></b>Coram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-23123080280376049022010-07-10T04:33:06.548+01:002010-07-10T04:33:06.548+01:00"I will take this as an affirmation of my poi...<i>"I will take this as an affirmation of my point."</i><br /><br /><b>That's not a good start. You should go back and re-think. The rest of your discussion goes downhill from there.</b><br /><br />LOL, TF!<br /><br />One is left wondering if your guest is familiar with the concept of "context".<br /><br />In Christ,<br />CDCoram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-10270327003119666832010-07-10T03:05:38.335+01:002010-07-10T03:05:38.335+01:00"I will take this as an affirmation of my poi..."I will take this as an affirmation of my point."<br /><br />That's not a good start. You should go back and re-think. The rest of your discussion goes downhill from there.<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-83300030302032273022010-07-10T02:36:21.651+01:002010-07-10T02:36:21.651+01:00Srnec,
Since words are apparently either incompre...Srnec,<br /><br />Since words are apparently either incomprehensible, or else may mean something other than what they actually say, would it be okay with you if I read your prior comment as a wholesale agreement with the position that I hold regarding the literal six 24-hour day creation fiat described in Genesis?<br /><br />In Him,<br />CDCoram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-76364535506454674712010-07-10T00:07:21.735+01:002010-07-10T00:07:21.735+01:00There's more than one sense to the word "...<i>There's more than one sense to the word "justify."</i><br /><br />I will take this as an affirmation of my point. Even if one of those senses could be identified as the "plain and simple face-value meaning" of the word, then unless the Scriptures use the word only in that sense, there is at least one passage in Scripture where the "plain and simple face-value Srnechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10474493908162946111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-78711004931796328972010-07-09T14:47:16.133+01:002010-07-09T14:47:16.133+01:00Srnec,
Fail.Srnec,<br /><br /><a href="http://rhoblogy.blogspot.com/2009/12/read-this-before-yelling-james-2.html" rel="nofollow">Fail</a>.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-8522432300638425532010-07-09T12:29:03.798+01:002010-07-09T12:29:03.798+01:00Correct, TF.
There's also something called co...Correct, TF.<br /><br />There's also something called comparing scripture with scripture.<br /><br />Instead of sniping perhaps Srnec can cite scripture that unfolds the fuller sense of the text, and gives us an clearer understanding of God's creative fiat than is contained in Genesis account?<br /><br />In Christ,<br />CDCoram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-51929415285690921402010-07-09T12:07:27.440+01:002010-07-09T12:07:27.440+01:00Srnec:
There's more than one sense to the wor...Srnec:<br /><br />There's more than one sense to the word "justify." <br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-63758416785102627102010-07-09T06:17:14.225+01:002010-07-09T06:17:14.225+01:00Despite all the high-falutin' philosophical te...<i>Despite all the high-falutin' philosophical terms and theological wrangling in this thread, the fact remains that there's one reason for rejecting the plain and simple face-value meanings of the words of scripture - unbelief.</i><br /><br />Anybody who says that man is justified by faith alone is "rejecting the plain and simple face-value meanings of the words" of James 2:24:Srnechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10474493908162946111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-10340190214317622022010-07-09T03:27:45.511+01:002010-07-09T03:27:45.511+01:00Providence!
I just stumbled across the following ...Providence!<br /><br />I just stumbled across the following quote over at <a href="http://bibchr.blogspot.com/2010/07/difference-between-fearing-god-and.html" rel="nofollow">Dan Phillips place</a>:<br /><br /><b>The difference between fearing God, and trying to be God</b><br /> <br /><i>It only surfaces when God crosses your will, or your preferred way of thinking.<br /><br />The God-fearer says,Coram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-5355881094739061132010-07-09T03:17:28.605+01:002010-07-09T03:17:28.605+01:00Despite all the high-falutin' philosophical te...Despite all the high-falutin' philosophical terms and theological wrangling in this thread, the fact remains that there's one reason for rejecting the plain and simple face-value meanings of the words of scripture - unbelief.<br /><br />You can put lipstick on a pig, put it in a nice dress, and call it "Sally", but it's still just a pig.<br /><br />I personally find militantCoram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-59707722514819311202010-07-09T00:03:20.822+01:002010-07-09T00:03:20.822+01:00JL: "If the universe is just a big jumble of ...JL: "If the universe is just a big jumble of confusing stuff doing whatever it wants, aging however it wants, then there goes the transcendent argument for God"<br /><br />You seem to be jumping to conclusions. How does "the universe is just a big jumble of confusing stuff" follow from the premise that there is no reliable and consistent dating method available to us?<br /><Nealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15030792638120558640noreply@blogger.com