tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post5694887972132070976..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Truth in Labeling: Aminianism, Amyraldianism, and Hyper-CalvinismTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-2859017264376937112008-01-14T18:26:00.000+00:002008-01-14T18:26:00.000+00:00It's possible I suppose. Hard to find anything the...It's possible I suppose. Hard to find anything these days with no adherents. Though the only ones I've ever met who have subscribed to that sort of theology appear to do so out of ignorance of scripture rather than adherence to a particular system of beliefs.J.C. Thibodauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12884600822119690931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-14681145507666134712008-01-12T15:14:00.000+00:002008-01-12T15:14:00.000+00:00I see why you would make a distinction on those is...I see why you would make a distinction on those issues.<BR/><BR/>If grace truly prevenes, then man's act of free will cannot come first (i.e. before any grace).<BR/><BR/>Agreed.<BR/><BR/>Do you think there are semi-pelagians according to the description you provided, in existence today?<BR/><BR/>-TurretinfanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-71023866924922086982008-01-12T15:06:00.000+00:002008-01-12T15:06:00.000+00:00TF,The defining doctrines of Semipelagianism are:1...TF,<BR/><BR/>The defining doctrines of Semipelagianism are:<BR/><BR/>1. Faith begins in the sinner, originating in the free will, with grace only assisting towards salvation afterwards. One early, major proponent of Semipelagianism referred to the will to a 'small hook' that seizes grace. This belief goes firmly against the Arminian view of prevenient grace. <BR/><BR/>2. Perseverance is not a J.C. Thibodauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12884600822119690931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-14153238018323302162008-01-11T20:38:00.000+00:002008-01-11T20:38:00.000+00:00JCT:I got your most recent comment, which seems to...JCT:<BR/>I got your most recent comment, which seems to say basically the same thing as your previous one, but in stronger terms.<BR/><BR/>I recognize that you may think that difference between what you consider "Arminian" and what you consider "Semi-Pelagian" may swamp their similiarities.<BR/><BR/>I invite you to list the top three major swamping distinctions.<BR/><BR/>Saying as one item that Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-15287214186271167022008-01-11T13:24:00.000+00:002008-01-11T13:24:00.000+00:00JCT,Yes, I do group them in the same camp and lump...JCT,<BR/><BR/>Yes, I do group them in the same camp and lump them together because they share certain doctrinal commonalities that are germane to the classification that I am making.<BR/><BR/>That doesn't mean or suggest that they are in agreement on other things.<BR/><BR/>-TurretinfanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-33056547955574900302008-01-03T23:28:00.000+00:002008-01-03T23:28:00.000+00:00The problem TF is that you refer to them as in the...The problem TF is that you refer to them as in the same 'camp,' I quote:<BR/><BR/><I>"These men (and they are, so far as I have seen, mostly men and boys not women or girls) generally fall into one of several camps.<BR/><BR/>1. Semi-Peligian/Arminian/Semi-Augstinian (call it what you like)"</I><BR/><BR/>Hence lumping all these into one group.<BR/><BR/>Side note: Not sure what people want to call J.C. Thibodauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12884600822119690931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-45423440208613501232007-12-28T19:54:00.000+00:002007-12-28T19:54:00.000+00:00JCT:Please note that my original article recognize...JCT:<BR/><BR/>Please note that my original article recognized this, saying: "I think the Arminians among us can appreciate this problem, for their own conventional label has taken on a very broad range of meanings, including everything from what Arminius actually taught, to what Wesley taught, to what Finney taught, to what Fallwell taught, and even to what Dave Hunt teaches."<BR/><BR/>Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-53355021428920671042007-12-28T19:50:00.000+00:002007-12-28T19:50:00.000+00:00Speaking of truth in labeling, lumping Semi-pelagi...Speaking of truth in labeling, lumping Semi-pelagianism with Arminianism? Ouch. Let's try for a little accuracy too; though I certainly appreciate your attitude that we should believe doctrine because of the testimony of scripture, not for the sake of some commentator.J.C. Thibodauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12884600822119690931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-13487202245615776052007-12-02T18:40:00.000+00:002007-12-02T18:40:00.000+00:00This is a nice summary. I particularly like that y...This is a nice summary. I particularly like that you included common misperceptions.<BR/><BR/>I read most of Geisler's book (I would get bored and switch to skimming) and found his terminology confusing and his arguments not terribly impressive.Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04697072499214349759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-30969397323021416382007-12-01T20:11:00.000+00:002007-12-01T20:11:00.000+00:00TF,you make a strong case for WHY Calvin might jus...TF,<BR/><BR/>you make a strong case for WHY Calvin might just be waiting at the Entrance when we too pass before those left behind!<BR/><BR/>If this is Calvinism pure and pure, then he simply was touched by the Same God we were!<BR/><BR/>It's the TRUTH that sets a soul free, not Calvin.<BR/><BR/>Just because he was set free is no reason to slight a man gone on before us.<BR/><BR/>Jacob Arminius Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com