tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post5986291234529019838..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Meaning of Papal DescriptionsTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-34129376156990401912010-01-28T17:45:28.823+00:002010-01-28T17:45:28.823+00:00Maybe "commissioned" is a good word to d...Maybe "commissioned" is a good word to dwell on when understanding what these papal titles mean in context. "Missio" means sending, which implies someone who sends. The Thessalonians verse has an entirely opposite meaning from "sent" -- it refers to "opposition" and "exalting above", which are the contrary of the "submissio" God that isRansomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-83568176558739785832010-01-27T23:31:25.777+00:002010-01-27T23:31:25.777+00:00Well, TF, sadly, I have to admit, you are not very...Well, TF, sadly, I have to admit, you are not very challenging!<br /><br />Yes, it's true by the response in here. You only had one challenger. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-66405740528339711892010-01-23T17:21:36.609+00:002010-01-23T17:21:36.609+00:00For whatever it might be worth, Sean Patrick, when...For whatever it might be worth, Sean Patrick, when I read this a little bell went ding within my spirit:::><br /><br />"....Therefore the Pope saying that the Church's temporal head shares the same head as Christ isn't that strange compared to biblical language about the Church...".<br /><br />We have a saying around my Church which I suppose the one who I first heard it readAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-71909914104185750692010-01-23T13:51:01.091+00:002010-01-23T13:51:01.091+00:00I agree that seeing JP2 say 'Christ on Earth&#...I agree that seeing JP2 say 'Christ on Earth' is immediately troubling. But JP2 was a prolific writer and teacher and never once did he teach that the Pope was literally God himself. <br /><br />The immediate confusion about "in persona Christi" and 'Christ on Earth' is only understood in the context of the Church's teaching about the sacrament of Holy Orders.<br />SPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06008766411494290281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-10102860155548482542010-01-23T13:49:23.584+00:002010-01-23T13:49:23.584+00:00TFan.
I don't have a lot of time this weeke...TFan. <br /><br />I don't have a lot of time this weekend but the Catholic Church dogmatically teaches that God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. <br /><br />There has never been any dogma in the church professed that is anything remotely close the "Pope" being "God himself."<br /><br />The dogma is that the pope is Christ's vicar. The title 'vicar' itselfSPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06008766411494290281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-29025187232558856282010-01-23T05:17:47.617+00:002010-01-23T05:17:47.617+00:00Sean Patrick:
To me it suggests, at a minimum, ov...Sean Patrick:<br /><br />To me it suggests, at a minimum, over-reaching. It's hard to imagine what more the pope could claim for himself short of saying "I am God himself." It does sound like the sort of thing that the man of sin would do, based on the Biblical description of him - and this description does fit with some (though certainly not all) of the patristic views on the Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-56502510391503909592010-01-22T18:59:40.203+00:002010-01-22T18:59:40.203+00:00I'll try to spend some time digging more this ...I'll try to spend some time digging more this later this weekend. However, the very definition of 'Vicar' means 'not the actual person' A 'vicar' of Christ can not be Christ. That is impossible. <br /><br />In the meantime, could you tell me what <i>you</i> take this evidence to suggest?<br /><br />Until then, others have addressed some or all of these quotes Blogahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08390152245638471831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-52337980843109276732010-01-22T18:04:42.275+00:002010-01-22T18:04:42.275+00:00Geeesh, and I wake up and find it is harder these ...Geeesh, and I wake up and find it is harder these days to tie my own shoes once I finally get them on my feet!<br /><br />Eph 6:15 and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. <br /><br /><br />You are utterly amazing TF!<br /><br />I sincerely hope there will be more than just CD and I responding to this challenge?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-73573988694421245952010-01-22T16:10:32.430+00:002010-01-22T16:10:32.430+00:00I can't take up your challenge TF, but I can p...I can't take up your challenge TF, but I can provide positive argumentation by J.A. Wylie as to why the papacy can be understood as a fulfillment of 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.historicism.net/readingmaterials/thepapacy.pdf" rel="nofollow">The Papacy is the Antichrist</a>.<br /><br />See also the Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter 25 section 6:<br /><br /><b>Coram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.com