tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post6700098936924167504..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Not Because of Sola ScripturaTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-57544680166903706552008-12-15T17:05:00.000+00:002008-12-15T17:05:00.000+00:00Lucian,I wrote: "First prove that Sola Scriptura c...Lucian,<BR/><BR/>I wrote: "First prove that Sola Scriptura causes disunity."<BR/><BR/>You responded: "Haven't 500 yrs of Protestant history proven that already? Or do You want MORE? -- If so, then when is it *ever* going to be enough??"<BR/><BR/><B>I'm not sure if you don't see the lack of logic in your own comment, or not.</B> But if you do not, perhaps we should ask what the 1000 or so years Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-72529272902080990842008-11-28T18:08:00.000+00:002008-11-28T18:08:00.000+00:00The largest animating force would seem to be a rea...<I>The largest animating force would seem to be a reaction to the apparent deviation of Vatican 2 from tradition.</I><BR/><BR/>This group accepts the papacy of Paul VI (they seem to think he's still Pope, in fact). If so, it would seem that they accept Vatican II, as Paul VI promulgated Vatican II.Ben Douglasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12251222044837915281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-20062348049866916772008-11-23T18:01:00.000+00:002008-11-23T18:01:00.000+00:00Dear Ben,The largest animating force would seem to...Dear Ben,<BR/><BR/>The largest animating force would seem to be a reaction to the apparent deviation of Vatican 2 from tradition.<BR/><BR/>-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-55350311258474985012008-11-23T02:24:00.000+00:002008-11-23T02:24:00.000+00:00Anonymous wrote: "The major one of which is doctri...Anonymous wrote: "The major one of which is doctrine. If sola scripturalists argue about doctrines that catholics don't, then the proposition is established. This is clearly true. Since St Vincent of Lerins it has been true."<BR/><BR/>This is simply a claim - not backed up by the historical data, not backed up by the Scriptural data, and contradicted by the anecdotal evidence of this post.<BR/><Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-7571565438234389262008-11-22T21:24:00.000+00:002008-11-22T21:24:00.000+00:00"There are many things that can lead to increased ..."There are many things that can lead to increased or decreased organizational unity."<BR/><BR/>The major one of which is doctrine. If sola scripturalists argue about doctrines that catholics don't, then the proposition is established. This is clearly true. Since St Vincent of Lerins it has been true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-45388649639142679802008-11-22T18:40:00.000+00:002008-11-22T18:40:00.000+00:00Having talked to a number of sedavacantist traditi...<I>Having talked to a number of sedavacantist traditionalist (call them what you will) folks, I don't think they have a mental illness.</I><BR/><BR/>I don't think all sedevacantists are crazy either. Gerry Matatics, John Lane, and Fr. Cekada all seem to be quite in possession of their faculties to me. Nevertheless, if the article you link to is at all accurate, this group in Mexico is nuts. Ben Douglasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12251222044837915281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-17830391465628271012008-11-22T13:16:00.000+00:002008-11-22T13:16:00.000+00:00First prove that Sola Scriptura causes disunity. H...<I>First prove that Sola Scriptura causes disunity</I>. <BR/><BR/>Haven't 500 yrs of Protestant history proven that already? Or do You want MORE? -- If so, then when is it *ever* going to be enough?? <BR/><BR/><I>res ipsa loquitur</I><BR/><BR/>Thou hast said it! (i.e., Amen to that, brother!). <BR/><BR/><I>Scripture has an answer too.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, I know: everyone else who does not subscribeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-55149685873083515722008-11-21T18:26:00.000+00:002008-11-21T18:26:00.000+00:00Well,I would offer the stabilizing Scripture that ...Well,<BR/><BR/>I would offer the stabilizing Scripture that brings soundness of mind so that there is no mental instability:::><BR/><BR/>KJV:<BR/><BR/>2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. <BR/><BR/>ESV:<BR/><BR/>2Ti 1:7 for God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control. <BR/><BR/>The mental instabilityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-68776116829855200692008-11-21T14:24:00.000+00:002008-11-21T14:24:00.000+00:00Anonymous,No.You wrote: "So because sola scriptura...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>No.<BR/><BR/>You wrote: "So because sola scriptura is not the <I>only</I> thing that can cause disunity, therefore sola scriptura is off the hook? Shall we call that the two wrongs make a right fallacy?"<BR/><BR/>Your question assumes what you need to prove. The fallacy you are engaging in, therefore, is the "complex question" fallacy.<BR/><BR/>First prove that <I>Sola Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-39525207820856970182008-11-21T11:38:00.000+00:002008-11-21T11:38:00.000+00:00So because sola scriptura is not the only thing th...So because sola scriptura is not the <I>only</I> thing that can cause disunity, therefore sola scriptura is off the hook? Shall we call that the two wrongs make a right fallacy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-77981241348302714252008-11-21T01:54:00.000+00:002008-11-21T01:54:00.000+00:00Dozie:On what basis do you judge these people? Ho...Dozie:<BR/><BR/>On what basis do you judge these people? How do you know you are right and they are wrong? Or do you?<BR/><BR/>-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-60065562342905018102008-11-21T00:34:00.000+00:002008-11-21T00:34:00.000+00:00The problem is a mental problem - of a different s...The problem is a mental problem - of a different sort - the inability to understand what it means to be Catholic. Talking to a 1st grader one could say: Luther was Catholic at one time but later followed his own ways; so also, any one who is not in communion with the bishop of Rome, regardless of what he calls himself, is not Catholic. Therefore, the group being described is Protestant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-49482894881334113872008-11-21T00:12:00.000+00:002008-11-21T00:12:00.000+00:00It's hard to attribute the views of a city of 8000...It's hard to attribute the views of a city of 8000 (or even only 2000) to "mental instability."<BR/><BR/>Having talked to a number of sedavacantist traditionalist (call them what you will) folks, I don't think they have a mental illness. Granted I didn't talk to this particular cult group.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, the usual numbers that are bandied about regarding the number of denominations Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-40733640786250868602008-11-20T22:09:00.000+00:002008-11-20T22:09:00.000+00:00Mental instability is a source of division, apart ...Mental instability is a source of division, apart from any question of the relative perspicuity of various rules of faith.<BR/><BR/>Let's compare rational people sincerely committed to rule of faith A, and rational people sincerely committed to rule of faith B.Ben Douglasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12251222044837915281noreply@blogger.com