tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post701066612390974677..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Repenting for Our Fathers' Sins - Part 6/6Turretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-85461288561831238902011-08-18T13:59:06.188+01:002011-08-18T13:59:06.188+01:00"My Problem is with Calvinism and John Calvin..."My Problem is with Calvinism and John Calvin. "<br /><br />Your problem is much deep than that. Your problem is your heretical modalism views and your semi-pelagianism. You see the root problem lies in your false interpretations of Scripture when the people of God never know what God is saying in human language in Scripture if we follow your presupositions.<br /><br />"I know whatChafer DTShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06128689713330849677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-9351685458969889022011-08-18T04:15:07.281+01:002011-08-18T04:15:07.281+01:00My Problem is with Calvinism and John Calvin.
I ...My Problem is with Calvinism and John Calvin. <br /><br />I know what a man is, I are one!(Bad grammar intentional) Do not assume I think any of the Apostles or Prophets any different than any other man.(Nobody has inherited sin it is a fake doctrine devised by misunderstanding God's word and all the other false Calvin doctrine fall thereafter as they all rest upon one another.mlculwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13160062102050436408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-68134460316598932002011-08-17T18:12:52.501+01:002011-08-17T18:12:52.501+01:00mlculwell,
I have a couple of things to request o...mlculwell,<br /><br />I have a couple of things to request of you.<br /><br />First, please cut and paste where TF has drawn from Calvin in any of these 6 articles?<br /><br />Second, with regard to John Calvin and your issues with the "man". Are your issues dealing with the "man" or the contents of his Theology?<br /><br />My guess is you are confusing the two?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-6166014491203885082011-08-17T02:45:17.104+01:002011-08-17T02:45:17.104+01:00There's a strong "natural law" argum...<i>There's a strong "natural law" argument to be made that the guilt of the sins of the parents comes to the children from the fact that the "natural" consequences of the parents sins very often fall on the children.</i><br /><br />Obviously human intuitions are not decisive in adjudicating these matters, but they do seem relevant when it comes to assessing considerations Daniel Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14498464180784672367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-23972856145061826822011-08-17T02:42:23.299+01:002011-08-17T02:42:23.299+01:00The reason for 1/2 seems to be a desire to obtain ...<i>The reason for 1/2 seems to be a desire to obtain forgiveness for them, which seems to recognize some guilt for them. That's why it might <b>suggest</b> guilt.</i><br /><br />God deals with the Israelites as a collection or aggregate, making pronouncements concerning the whole (even if not strictly true of every part, such as those in the remnant); and executing judgment against the whole Daniel Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14498464180784672367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-52577000995771565912011-08-17T02:11:11.461+01:002011-08-17T02:11:11.461+01:00Inherited sin is not a doctrine of scripture, it i...Inherited sin is not a doctrine of scripture, it is an invention and misinterpretation of Scripture, it is false doctrine and leads to what we are now discussing... The false teacher John Calvin is the biggest proponent of that false doctrine one of many. I am no fan of his false teachings.mlculwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13160062102050436408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-28173361268775375722011-08-17T01:36:14.498+01:002011-08-17T01:36:14.498+01:00mlculwell
what kind of answer was that?
I asked ...mlculwell<br /><br />what kind of answer was that?<br /><br />I asked you to explain your inference about John Calvin and Calvinism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-52491150182033074512011-08-17T01:33:06.477+01:002011-08-17T01:33:06.477+01:00Ignorance TF. and Natamllc. We do not inherit our ...Ignorance TF. and Natamllc. We do not inherit our fathers sins. We continue in the sins we learn from our fathers. We should stop the cycle and repent. Inherited sin is a total ignorant doctrine.mlculwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13160062102050436408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-57599887733938997362011-08-16T21:12:17.467+01:002011-08-16T21:12:17.467+01:00mlculwell
pardon my ignorance, could you please e...mlculwell<br /><br />pardon my ignorance, could you please explain just what you mean by this:<br /><br /><i>"Repenting of your fathers sins" is not a reason for anyone to believe Calvinism.</i><br /><br />What does believing Calvinism have to do with anything?<br /><br />When you die, you will not be asked if you are for John or George!<br /><br />I just don't understand that that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-5694866855000575702011-08-16T21:11:21.829+01:002011-08-16T21:11:21.829+01:00"I think that most of the passages you’ve pro..."I think that most of the passages you’ve produced (in this series) exemplify 1 and 2, though it seems a few exemplify 3. Do you think that 1 and/or 2 imply 3?"<br /><br />Only in the loose sens of "imply" (<i>i.e.</i> suggest). The reason for 1/2 seems to be a desire to obtain forgiveness for them, which seems to recognize some guilt for them. That's why it might <i>Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-7459669627438181632011-08-16T17:58:33.454+01:002011-08-16T17:58:33.454+01:00Hi TF,
It seems we can distinguish
1. confessing t...Hi TF,<br />It seems we can distinguish<br />1. confessing the sin of someone (acknowledging it and its sinfulness)<br />2. repenting of the sin of someone (turning away from such sin in one’s own life)<br />3. being guilty of the sin of someone, or having somehow acquired guilt because of it<br /><br />I think that most of the passages you’ve produced (in this series) exemplify 1 and 2, though Daniel Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14498464180784672367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-5316263695452013442011-08-16T13:05:02.475+01:002011-08-16T13:05:02.475+01:00They do inherit the guilt of their fathers' si...They do inherit the guilt of their fathers' sins, Manuel. That explains why it is just for God visit the iniquities of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation, to those that hate Him. On the other hand, God offers mercy to those who repent.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-43918819218107048862011-08-16T12:23:25.946+01:002011-08-16T12:23:25.946+01:00"Repenting of your fathers sins" is not ..."Repenting of your fathers sins" is not a reason for anyone to believe Calvinism. Sons would continue in the sins passed down through generations, not that they would inherit sins.mlculwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13160062102050436408noreply@blogger.com