tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post7618493167336598838..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Responding to Norman Geisler's Defense of Ergun Caner - Part 2Turretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-62819243268678234202010-07-07T09:57:37.111+01:002010-07-07T09:57:37.111+01:00He has ability to make the people to believe his w...He has ability to make the people to believe his words.His arguments are convincing.Caner seems to be intelligent.sunni shaadihttp://www.marryasunni.com/browse/all/all/Maliki/allnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-9532712542075573442010-07-05T19:05:33.289+01:002010-07-05T19:05:33.289+01:00Erp wrote, "So it seems the father still kept...Erp wrote, "So it seems the father still kept connections with his family (at least a niece and a sister) and also that he was not so conservative as to consider women as incompetent to be guardians and executors (under Saudi law which claims to be Islamic they are)."<br /><br />The Columbus mosque photos show social mixing of the sexes. In the photo where they're eating cake there Frederickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071420764901945035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-83333405775972939792010-07-05T17:32:50.984+01:002010-07-05T17:32:50.984+01:00Oh I quite agree that Ergun has lied but some of i...Oh I quite agree that Ergun has lied but some of it might be lying by misdirection so it is useful to cover all possible bases. <br /><br />For instance legally (under Swedish law) he seems to have been 100% Turkish when he was born. Culturally he was mixed (Swedish by mother and mother's family and first few years, Turkish by father, American by surroundings after moving to Ohio). So Erpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-84503329559844401622010-07-05T14:42:18.858+01:002010-07-05T14:42:18.858+01:00"I did not say "What's next?" I..."I did not say "What's next?" I said "Let's dance"."<br /><br />You know, I was just reminded that EC performed in school plays. Were these musicals, as are many high school productions? If so, that's a strict no-no for Wahabis such as EC sometimes claims to have been. I hope they did not use musical instruments. Singing and dancing are problematical as Frederickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071420764901945035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-73490331661600991022010-07-05T13:46:42.473+01:002010-07-05T13:46:42.473+01:00Erp wrote, "It would also not be surprising i...Erp wrote, "It would also not be surprising if his father took his son and wife to Turkey to show to his relatives (it might be odder if he hadn't assuming the family could afford it)."<br /><br />The Turkish article, if memory serves, said that the family were not in contact with their Turkish relatives, but when contact was broken off is left unstated. This citizenship issue mightFrederickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071420764901945035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-12429811678005601292010-07-04T21:18:27.815+01:002010-07-04T21:18:27.815+01:00Erp:
Thanks for the comments. As to (1), I think...Erp:<br /><br />Thanks for the comments. As to (1), I think the links I provided address that.<br /><br />As to (2), Ergun Caner was not yet 4 when his youngest brother was born in Ohio (based on his brother being born in August 1970, and he himself being born in November 1966). But yes, it's certainly possible that a young child could pick up a few words in English if exposed to English Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-70846934773733144642010-07-04T17:36:38.737+01:002010-07-04T17:36:38.737+01:00A few points.
1. In Islam circumcision normally d...A few points.<br /><br />1. In Islam circumcision normally does not happen in infancy but when the boy is a bit older (perhaps about 5-10). <br /><br />2. Young children such as those around age 4 have a remarkable ability to pick up languages so it wouldn't be surprising for Caner to pick up English (at least as much as a native English speaker at that age) in a couple of months. It is Erpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-37349488314652002432010-07-04T14:10:42.134+01:002010-07-04T14:10:42.134+01:00It bothered me when Andy Murray lost, too. :o)It bothered me when Andy Murray lost, too. :o)gary dilworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447173908213258470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-90969928643175889882010-07-04T14:07:48.191+01:002010-07-04T14:07:48.191+01:00Gary D.
You are right again, sir. Thank you very...Gary D.<br /><br />You are right again, sir. Thank you very much!<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-26185159587659328262010-07-04T13:57:52.222+01:002010-07-04T13:57:52.222+01:00Bless your heart TF,
You must have been sleepy.
...Bless your heart TF,<br />You must have been sleepy. <br />Muslims scholars should be Muslim scholars.<br />It's down in the section on Mis-citing the Hadith.<br />And I want to thank you for all of your excellent work regarding Dr. Caner. You are very fair, and thorough. That takes alot of love.<br />Good work.gary dilworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447173908213258470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-41413520671575342702010-07-04T13:02:35.969+01:002010-07-04T13:02:35.969+01:00"The Charge that Caner could not have Offered..."The Charge that Caner could not have Offered his Muslim Prays in the School Bathroom as he said that he did. - This was neither a shameful or unacceptable practice for Muslims, as some critics claim."<br /><br />I wonder who wrote "his Muslim Prays," not exactly idiomatic English, or maybe Dr. Geisler was rushed. Islam has a purity code. How many Christians say, 'I must Frederickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071420764901945035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-44352628121818187632010-07-04T12:29:30.719+01:002010-07-04T12:29:30.719+01:00Gary D.
Fixed the first one ... I think the secon...Gary D.<br /><br />Fixed the first one ... I think the second one is the way I wanted it ... or is there something I missed?<br /><br />Bennet W.:<br /><br />"Is there any indication that he used Mehmet before 9/11? If he were honoring his Father, I would have expected that the change would have occurred soon after the funeral. Is there any indication that the name enhancement came before heTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-9744299583817790872010-07-04T12:17:33.334+01:002010-07-04T12:17:33.334+01:00DEC: On the "What's next?" vs. "...DEC: On the "What's next?" vs. "Let's dance" issue, it is really hard to tell on the audio - I initially had it the latter way, but I changed it back to the former way.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-14677069681279586352010-07-04T12:15:47.205+01:002010-07-04T12:15:47.205+01:00"They won't dilute. Islam is Islam - and ..."They won't dilute. Islam is Islam - and that was me coming to America: a fiery young man - all three of us, the three sons from our mother - all three of us devout Muslims. . ."<br /><br />A "fiery young man" at the age of three, wow, must have thrown some major temper tantrums. Or maybe he played with matches.<br /><br />To judge if someone is 'devout' requires Frederickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071420764901945035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-35138974648314841392010-07-04T11:47:49.620+01:002010-07-04T11:47:49.620+01:00"His mother desired that he use Michael, a na..."His mother desired that he use Michael, a name she always wished to give him, while Dr. Caner used “Mehmet” in honor of his father, especially after his father's passing in 1999."<br /><br />I think I will start using the name 'Rockefeller' on my checks, to 'honor' that great American family.<br /><br />Fredericka Abraham LincolnFrederickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071420764901945035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-66827077162631729272010-07-04T05:56:04.706+01:002010-07-04T05:56:04.706+01:00Hi TF,
I don't have anything to add, just an ...Hi TF,<br /><br />I don't have anything to add, just an observation. I honestly think you are giving Dr. Geisler way more benefit of the doubt than he deserves. Even if he didn't gather these so called 'responses' from EC himself, he's responsible for what he puts out on his page. Not a criticism of you at all. You are a kind soul. :) <br /><br />I'm worn out by the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-82438215340747524812010-07-04T04:28:21.502+01:002010-07-04T04:28:21.502+01:00Is there any indication that he used Mehmet before...Is there any indication that he used Mehmet before 9/11? If he were honoring his Father, I would have expected that the change would have occurred soon after the funeral. Is there any indication that the name enhancement came before he was behind the pulpit at FBC Jax?Bennett Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01200940136846753450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-61424939024137936092010-07-04T04:24:56.221+01:002010-07-04T04:24:56.221+01:00"The charges that he trained in a Sudanese or..."The charges that he trained in a Sudanese or Lebanese School (Madrassa) are false and are based on wrongly assuming his statement of “Islamic youth jihad” was in reference to a specific terrorist organization. He trained in the one attached to his Mosque as all Muslim children do. And he was trained there in Jihad, as all the other children are—even those who never take up a gun."<brFrederickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071420764901945035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-15990930849024598022010-07-04T04:14:05.223+01:002010-07-04T04:14:05.223+01:00"True, Sweden was not a Muslim country, but h..."True, Sweden was not a Muslim country, but he did live as a Muslim with a Muslim father while in Sweden. After all, Ergun's father was from a Muslim country, Ergun was a citizen of a Muslim country, and he lived as a Muslim in Sweden."<br /><br />Yes, they lived as part of the Muslim minority in Sweden. Then they emigrated and lived as part of the Muslim minority in the U.S. Dr. Frederickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071420764901945035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-12876174575531172662010-07-04T04:05:10.240+01:002010-07-04T04:05:10.240+01:00TF,
Please fix the following...
It's an embe...TF, <br />Please fix the following...<br /><br />It's an embellishment saying that you lived in majority Muslim countries (plural) (see documentation) looks like an embellishment, when you haven't lived in even one majority Muslim country, even if you lived with a Muslim father for many years. <br /><br />Is Hussein Wario supposed to be Geisler's "Muslims scholars" admittinggary dilworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447173908213258470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-53624987009582670322010-07-04T03:59:20.280+01:002010-07-04T03:59:20.280+01:00TF,
One correction boy! Under the charge about sp...TF,<br /><br />One correction boy! Under the charge about speaking Arabic, you misquoted me. You have:<br /><br />"Every debate I've ever had, the Muslim, 'Ah you do not understand Islam, you need to understand the Arabic,' What's next?"<br /><br />I did not say "What's next?" I said "Let's dance". <br /><br />ECDr Ergun Canerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XZXaQ6DY-cnoreply@blogger.com