tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post769682094834287515..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Rule of Faith and LifeTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-6877544149280322942010-03-13T18:07:08.846+00:002010-03-13T18:07:08.846+00:00Thank you TF, I guess I never thought to read into...Thank you TF, I guess I never thought to read into harmonious teaching, I'll be honest: I'm still a baby learning her steps and I thought one subject at a time would be a good way to learn. I'll try to find two subjects that balance each other and study it that way. =)<br /><br />Always willing to learn<br />AudreyAudreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11902049095261437187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-4185627957056285532010-03-13T17:45:27.587+00:002010-03-13T17:45:27.587+00:00Audrey:
I agree that this is getting off topic. ...Audrey:<br /><br />I agree that this is getting off topic. The prohibitions against censoriousness that you cite must be read harmoniously with Scripture's command, repeated twice:<br /><br />Galatians 1:8-9 <br />But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-70955795296502889932010-03-13T17:09:51.509+00:002010-03-13T17:09:51.509+00:00CD, it was the line: May God Almighty smite both o...CD, it was the line: May God Almighty smite both of these abominations from the face of His earth and cast them into the abyss!<br /><br />I don't agree with it any more than you, but the Lord does tell us to not judge, He will, but it is not for us to do. We are to show kindness and forgiveness.<br />So it's just a bit scary to see written since Scripture says:<br /><br />Matthew 7:1-2Audreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11902049095261437187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-70130929575704603932010-03-13T15:51:32.501+00:002010-03-13T15:51:32.501+00:00Audrey,
What did I say that you find objectionabl...Audrey,<br /><br />What did I say that you find objectionable and/or harsh?<br /><br />In Christ,<br />CDCoram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-20797611717078167112010-03-13T15:50:48.919+00:002010-03-13T15:50:48.919+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Coram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-22060038530774728632010-03-12T16:23:53.716+00:002010-03-12T16:23:53.716+00:00CD, while I don't agree with Nick, you shouldn...CD, while I don't agree with Nick, you shouldn't be so harsh with your words. We are supposed to be kind and gentle in using our words to others.<br /><br />Proverbs 15:1 A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.<br /><br />Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.<br /><br />Colossians 4:6 Let your speech be alwaysAudreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11902049095261437187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-73284748791400144492010-03-12T03:59:04.542+00:002010-03-12T03:59:04.542+00:00I find it interesting that Nick is so animated by ...I find it interesting that Nick is so animated by the practice of abortion - which is a heinous evil - yet he seems oblivious to the fact that harlot Rome is guilty of leading countless millions of souls into eternal perdition with her damnable doctrines of demons, all while masquerading as the <i>"One True Church"</i><br /><br />In fact the abortion industry is simply the temporal Coram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-89417450152245659932010-03-11T23:54:34.892+00:002010-03-11T23:54:34.892+00:00"While the EO don't practice SS formally,..."While the EO don't practice SS formally, they do so implicitly by being out of communion with the Pope."<br /><br />Wow - just wow.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-65182252484265050562010-03-11T23:53:44.338+00:002010-03-11T23:53:44.338+00:00Nick:
The entirety of your authority for what you...Nick:<br /><br />The entirety of your authority for what you are saying is that your church says so. It all hangs from that faulty premise.<br /><br />You don't seem to recognize this. You write:<br /><br />"Sure it presupposes the CC is right, because if the CC is wrong then a new basis for the claim must be found...this highlights the very danger I'm alerting you to: serious Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-55677772256402055702010-03-11T23:24:51.895+00:002010-03-11T23:24:51.895+00:00Lockheed,
What do you mean regarding the LCMS an...Lockheed, <br /><br />What do you mean regarding the LCMS and SBC? Are you saying there are sold out to liberalism? <br /><br />As for the term "Protestant," it has a range of meanings, depending *both* on who's defining the term as well as the context of its use. It can be defined broadly or narrowly.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-50968724551314683222010-03-11T23:16:38.185+00:002010-03-11T23:16:38.185+00:00TF: That's just a way of saying "ought to...TF: That's just a way of saying "ought to contain in order to be sufficiently clear." But again, you have simply insisted on a level of sufficient clarity without a justification. <br /><br />N: The level of clarity in this situation is subjective; that's my point.<br /><br />TF: On what authority are we to accept your premise as to what constitutes sufficient clarity? <br /><brNickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-74205823068574474812010-03-11T22:02:11.814+00:002010-03-11T22:02:11.814+00:00"Protestant bodies that allow "exception...<i>"Protestant bodies that allow "exceptions" include otherwise 'conservative' bodies like Missouri Synod Lutherans and the Southern Baptist Convention, among others. This is *NOT* your typical liberal groups."</i><br /><br />I think you need to double check your facts on the LCMS and the SBC. Plus you need to come to a better understanding of what the term PROTESTANT Lockheedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05433104440503646253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-83361455823296780842010-03-11T02:31:33.267+00:002010-03-11T02:31:33.267+00:00Lockheed,
Perhaps you didn't read the link: ...Lockheed, <br /><br />Perhaps you didn't read the link: Protestant bodies that allow "exceptions" include otherwise 'conservative' bodies like Missouri Synod Lutherans and the Southern Baptist Convention, among others. This is *NOT* your typical liberal groups.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-20384648319051169842010-03-11T02:31:29.804+00:002010-03-11T02:31:29.804+00:00"This isn't about what the Bible "ou..."This isn't about what the Bible "ought to contain," but that how sufficient and/or clear the Bible is (without a magisterium) becomes a matter of opinion, allowing each denomination to make their own 'exceptions'."<br /><br />That's just a way of saying "ought to contain in order to be sufficiently clear." But again, you have simply insisted on a Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-11302359094146281512010-03-11T02:19:25.860+00:002010-03-11T02:19:25.860+00:00There are children being murdered right now with t...<i>There are children being murdered right now with the 'blessing' of their denomination, and that's no laughing matter, nor is it 'non-essential' matter...and it's precisely because of Sola Scriptura letting each denomination decide what range of "exceptions" to allow.</i><br /><br />You have a very confused understanding of Sola Scriptura. The denominations youLockheedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05433104440503646253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-16138336907855548382010-03-11T02:08:10.281+00:002010-03-11T02:08:10.281+00:00TF: Why do you think any denomination is competent...TF: Why do you think any denomination is competent to judge what the Bible ought to contain? <br /><br />N: This isn't about what the Bible "ought to contain," but that how sufficient and/or clear the Bible is (without a magisterium) becomes a matter of opinion, allowing each denomination to make their own 'exceptions'.<br /><br />TF: I think you mean that many denominationsNickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-30822018707862010712010-03-11T01:47:07.801+00:002010-03-11T01:47:07.801+00:00"Ah, I see what you're saying. I wasn'..."Ah, I see what you're saying. I wasn't intending to say "if not me, then who?" as if speaking from an individualist standpoint."<br /><br />Ok<br /><br />"The "who" was in reference to authoritative body, more specifically, which Denomination."<br /><br />Why do you think any denomination is competent to judge what the Bible ought to contain?<br />Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-48633951957917560892010-03-11T01:12:14.655+00:002010-03-11T01:12:14.655+00:00Ah, I see what you're saying. I wasn't int...Ah, I see what you're saying. I wasn't intending to say "if not me, then who?" as if speaking from an individualist standpoint. The "who" was in reference to authoritative body, more specifically, which Denomination. <br /><br />With that in mind, the question of "who decides when abortion is not murder?" is answered by the various denominations as they see Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-7586309545854377932010-03-11T00:26:33.494+00:002010-03-11T00:26:33.494+00:00"The issue of what is key is only post-modern..."The issue of what is key is only post-modern in that the splintering of denominations gave birth to post-modernism."<br /><br />Actually, the post-modern reference was in response to your comment to the effect of "if not me, than who?" It is your comment that looks post-modern, not our response.<br /><br />"You must not be understanding my argument, ... "<br /><br Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-12044959990287625822010-03-11T00:05:58.700+00:002010-03-11T00:05:58.700+00:00The issue of what is key is only post-modern in th...The issue of what is key is only post-modern in that the splintering of denominations gave birth to post-modernism. <br /><br />You must not be understanding my argument, for I gave a list of reasons why major Protestant denominations will say abortion is acceptable...while all the while saying affirming abortion in other circumstances is murder.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-74738401158353965322010-03-10T23:55:11.432+00:002010-03-10T23:55:11.432+00:00If not you, then who, eh? Doesn't that sound ...If not you, then who, eh? Doesn't that sound a bit post-modern to you? <br /><br />And you already admitted that "Murder is clearly condemned in Scripture" so please don't try to suggest that I was saying that "the issue of murder on a large scale (even among "Christians") [is] not a key issue" - for I have not said that. You stated that "The Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-38137219201112329702010-03-10T23:48:57.487+00:002010-03-10T23:48:57.487+00:00Then who is in a position to decide what is key or...Then who is in a position to decide what is key or not? And, further, how is the issue of murder on a large scale (even among "Christians") not a key issue?Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-39174062231077233362010-03-10T20:01:29.740+00:002010-03-10T20:01:29.740+00:00"The difficulty with the Sola Scriptura appro..."The difficulty with the Sola Scriptura approach is that it can fail to give key details and thus no definitive answers. "<br /><br />It seems that you think you are in a position to decide that something is key and then to judge that Scripture fails to provide those key details.<br /><br />That's the flaw in your epistemology.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-72027640663488252422010-03-10T19:29:59.498+00:002010-03-10T19:29:59.498+00:00The difficulty with the Sola Scriptura approach is...The difficulty with the Sola Scriptura approach is that it can fail to give key details and thus no definitive answers. <br /><br />For example, take the issue of murder. Murder is clearly condemned in Scripture, but how exactly does this relate to abortion? While most 'conservative' Protestant bodies would (rightly) equate abortion with murder, they none the less allow "exceptions&Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.com