tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post8214376025697069335..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Benedict XVI on the "Chair of Peter" (vs. Steve Ray)Turretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-6205442981189122332012-03-07T01:40:45.543+00:002012-03-07T01:40:45.543+00:00Mr. Holter: That is an interesting contrast as we...Mr. Holter: That is an interesting contrast as well, but not (I would think) nearly so significant. As for the alleged harmonization - the point is that Benedict XVI acknowledges it is not really a chair of Peter's within the bronze, whereas both Steve and other similar pilgrimage promoting materials do. -TurretinFanturretinfannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-47332201075045027042012-03-04T17:35:51.087+00:002012-03-04T17:35:51.087+00:00Here is an interesting contrast. Steve Ray says, ...Here is an interesting contrast. Steve Ray says, “Below the chair are four doctors of the Church, not supporting the Chair, but acknowledging and honoring it.” The pope, on the other hand, says, “The great Chair is supported by the Fathers of the Church. The two Eastern masters, Saint John Chrysostom and Saint Athanasius, together with the Latins, Saint Ambrose and Saint Augustine, represent Pete Holternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-76693891901080661652012-03-04T02:23:31.312+00:002012-03-04T02:23:31.312+00:00"Steve Ray is misleading people by omitting t..."Steve Ray is misleading people by omitting the fact that it is known that the 9th century chair is not what people once were led to believe it was".<br /><br />Where exactly did the Pope say that is now "known that the 9th century chair is not what people once were led to believe it was"? What exactly was encased and why? What was the Pope referreing to when he said " itDozienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-38199639177946459222012-03-04T01:58:55.481+00:002012-03-04T01:58:55.481+00:00Dozie:
I'm sorry to say, but I really don'...Dozie:<br /><br />I'm sorry to say, but I really don't understand your question. Steve Ray is misleading people by omitting the fact that it is known that the 9th century chair is not what people once were led to believe it was. He's perpetuating the fraud that Benedict XVI has the honesty to acknowledge.<br /><br />-TurretinFanturretinfannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-88568777266693885742012-03-04T00:35:44.070+00:002012-03-04T00:35:44.070+00:00"Steve Ray fails to tell the reader the key p..."Steve Ray fails to tell the reader the key point that the bronze statue encloses a 9th century chair - a pious myth - a lie"<br /><br />Ok, I suppose then the pope told you "that the bronze statue encloses a 9th century chair - a pious myth - [and] a lie" or are lying about the key point the pope was making?Dozienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-87298159585875458542012-03-03T20:53:07.282+00:002012-03-03T20:53:07.282+00:00Steve Ray fails to tell the reader the key point t...Steve Ray fails to tell the reader the key point that the bronze statue encloses a 9th century chair - a pious myth - a lie.turretinfannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-37229593517757056102012-03-03T20:24:35.926+00:002012-03-03T20:24:35.926+00:00I am not sure where you find the contradiction bet...I am not sure where you find the contradiction between what the Holy Father said and what Steve Ray wrote. "The great bronze throne encloses a wooden chair from the ninth century, which was long thought to be St. Peter’s own chair" implies also that the chair must have been thought to also have existed at the same time as St. Peter, who did not live in the 9th century but in the 1st. Dozienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-51199342159074631202012-03-01T16:15:45.539+00:002012-03-01T16:15:45.539+00:00Because it wasn't said from the chair (ex cath...Because it wasn't said from the chair (ex cathedra- i say this as a punn not as a serious doctrinal articulation), it doesn't really count ;) It's just the opinion of some old white dude.Joseph Grigolettihttp://twitter.com/jgrig2noreply@blogger.com