tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post8471030159070863392..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Dialogue with GIMJ re: Necessity - A continuationTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-62118480530415828102007-05-06T18:50:00.000+01:002007-05-06T18:50:00.000+01:00Dear Dan,This thread sprouts from a failure in you...Dear Dan,<BR/><BR/>This thread sprouts from a failure in your original article to clearly define the terms that you are seeking to establish as your position.<BR/><BR/>I'm interested in pushing you into accepting the ordinary, Scriptural sense of freedom and necessity, and to abandon these philosophical definitions, as either absurd, nonsensical or irrelevant.<BR/><BR/>I'm not interested into Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-41216515767454852742007-05-06T17:32:00.000+01:002007-05-06T17:32:00.000+01:00Dear Turretinfan,Your general strategy seems to be...Dear Turretinfan,<BR/><BR/>Your general strategy seems to be to push me into saying freedom is LFW-5 and that LFW-5 is illogical. But I have denied LFW-5, so this argument is not against my position. <BR/><BR/>Your fall back strategy is to claim that my denial of LFW-5 leaves man without freedom at the time of action. In the LFW-5 sense, of course, I agree. But again, this does not damage myAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-80114377833461854122007-05-05T18:49:00.000+01:002007-05-05T18:49:00.000+01:00Dear Dan,TF, previously: "Prior" means before the ...Dear Dan,<BR/><BR/>TF, previously: "Prior" means before the event, whereas "[at] T=1 ... is able to choose" means at the event. At and before are distinct concepts.<BR/><BR/>GIMJ: "This is incorrect."<BR/><BR/>I respond: <B>Let's see how you back that up.</B><BR/><BR/>GIMJ: "LFW-3 is successive, ie the ability first, then the choice."<BR/><BR/>I reply: <B>That's not how LFW-3 is written, as has Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-74205604055764053552007-05-05T16:58:00.000+01:002007-05-05T16:58:00.000+01:00Dear Turretinfan,You claim that there is a notable...Dear Turretinfan,<BR/><BR/>You claim that there is a notable difference between LFW-3 and LFW-P. Namely,<BR/><BR/><I>The notable difference, however, is "is able ... prior to the deed ... to do," vs. "[at] T=1 ... is able to choose."<BR/><BR/>Surely you see the difference. <BR/><BR/>"Prior" means before the event, whereas "[at] T=1 ... is able to choose" means at the event. At and before are Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com