tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post897407368094504077..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: An Example of the Exegetical Blunders of Horton's View of the Two KingdomsTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-13216888325359524822011-05-05T16:27:20.648+01:002011-05-05T16:27:20.648+01:00I should clarify two things:
1. My page numbers a...I should clarify two things:<br /><br />1. My page numbers are taken from the Kindle edition of the book. So they may be a little inaccurate since Kindle doesn't tell you exactly where one page stops and the next one begins.<br /><br />2. When I said <i>"He does draw out the fact that Calvin's idea of the two kingdoms did not secularize the temporal kingdom in the same way modern Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05690738239872948496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-69260003018002185122011-05-05T16:23:55.027+01:002011-05-05T16:23:55.027+01:00TurretinFan,
At this point in my reading (about h...TurretinFan,<br /><br />At this point in my reading (about half-way through), it looks like VanDrunen does a good, fair job. <br /><br />He does draw out the fact that Calvin's idea of the two kingdoms did not secularize the temporal kingdom in the same way modern advocates (e.g. Darryl Hart) believe it should. At least, that is my own interpretation.<br /><br />VanDrunen notes that: <br /><Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05690738239872948496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-85748889816958270292011-05-04T23:04:52.724+01:002011-05-04T23:04:52.724+01:00Jonathan:
I looked through that book (in vain) fo...Jonathan:<br /><br />I looked through that book (in vain) for a positive argument for DVD's own position.<br /><br />I'm hesitant to call the book "revisionist" without having any specific examples ready to establish such an assertion.<br /><br />My main complaint about the book is that it appears to be a polemical book that is presented as an historical work. It does not, fromTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-83521178413350999402011-05-04T07:06:28.856+01:002011-05-04T07:06:28.856+01:00Really, I just see this as a predictable knee jerk...Really, I just see this as a predictable knee jerk response from Horton to moralize and be holier than thou and pious and all that. <br /><br />Also (and all bloggers engage in this to a degree, but some people make it their entire thing) he, Clark, and Hart, I have kidded Hart on this, have a formula: "Enough about that thing that is wrong, let me tell you about something else that is wrongThe Puritanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12200009028083050918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-53811167550267237192011-05-04T04:02:28.069+01:002011-05-04T04:02:28.069+01:00TurretinFan,
I'm in the process of reading DV...TurretinFan,<br /><br />I'm in the process of reading DVD's "Natural Law and the Two Kingdoms" right now. It's basically a history of 2K theology (focused in the Reformed tradition). <br /><br />Are you familiar with this work? If so, do you think DVD's history is revisionist or accurate? If revisionist, do you know of any work on the topic that is more accurate?Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05690738239872948496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-85302975035453551942011-05-04T01:25:03.470+01:002011-05-04T01:25:03.470+01:00It has much to do with their view of the Mosaic co...It has much to do with their view of the Mosaic covenant and its relation to the covenant of grace. A great resource on that topic can be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/themosaiccovenant/louishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05447894010657835114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-7236340602244367242011-05-03T23:38:46.705+01:002011-05-03T23:38:46.705+01:00"I hope that the commenter is simply pointing..."I hope that the commenter is simply pointing out a similarity of hermeneutic between the dispensationals and the Escondido folks."<br /><br />I hope so as well and nothing beyond that. <br /><br />"Guilt by association would be saying that Horton is no longer Reformed, just because we have a photo of him hugging Rick Warren. "<br /><br />I saw a picture of John Mac Arthur in Chafer DTShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06128689713330849677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-3267858703871026292011-05-03T22:38:03.370+01:002011-05-03T22:38:03.370+01:00ChaferDTS:
I hope that the commenter is simply po...ChaferDTS:<br /><br />I hope that the commenter is simply pointing out a similarity of hermeneutic between the dispensationals and the Escondido folks.<br /><br />Guilt by association would be saying that Horton is no longer Reformed, just because we have a photo of him hugging Rick Warren.<br /><br />But I hear what you're saying. There is a difference between dispensationalism and the Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-18126265141485047642011-05-03T21:53:45.223+01:002011-05-03T21:53:45.223+01:00"It's like this odd Dispensationalism inf..."It's like this odd Dispensationalism infecting Reformed Theology in Escondido, starting with Kline and continuing with Horton, Godfrey and the rest "<br /><br />That is unfair to link dispensationalism with Horton, Godfrey and whoever when they are not dispensational. That really amounts to guilt by assocation. The issue goes beyond the Dispensational verses Covenant Theology issueChafer DTShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06128689713330849677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-88530852216881036942011-05-03T20:46:04.068+01:002011-05-03T20:46:04.068+01:00Wow, TF, what a substantive response!
For me, the...Wow, TF, what a substantive response!<br /><br />For me, the strongest sentence of this whole article, which in light of the rest of the article, becomes the most prophetic sentence I have read in awhile from anyone, is this one:<br /><br /><i>"...There is a continuity, not a discontinuity, between us and Abraham on this point."</i><br /><br />I have been pondering Jesus' great Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-63907131309621574092011-05-03T20:12:52.198+01:002011-05-03T20:12:52.198+01:00It's like this odd Dispensationalism infecting...It's like this odd Dispensationalism infecting Reformed Theology in Escondido, starting with Kline and continuing with Horton, Godfrey and the restDavid Lowmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17899181042816958715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-25089037362270921682011-05-03T19:46:58.199+01:002011-05-03T19:46:58.199+01:00"That doesn't mean I consider Horton a he...<i>"That doesn't mean I consider Horton a heretic, but rather a brother in Christ with whom I sharply disagree on a particular point."</i><br /><br />Thank you.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.com