tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post1938395001481541312..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Brief Responses to Jay DyerTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-50174435324680788462010-04-20T18:53:16.921+01:002010-04-20T18:53:16.921+01:00I exist.
Many others manifested this as well afte...I exist.<br /><br />Many others manifested this as well after your debate together. <br /><br />Deal with it.Nuno Fonsecahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00717912270856511879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-40442093011667310092010-04-20T06:06:04.082+01:002010-04-20T06:06:04.082+01:00If I'm not mistaken James White stated in a de...If I'm not mistaken James White stated in a debate with Robert Sungenis some time back that there are two wills in Christ. Sungenis pressed him on whether this was orthodox belief and must be believed to which White replied in the affirmative. White just couldn't provide scriptural proof.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08353069946995823072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-56015838576279599172010-04-15T14:18:51.734+01:002010-04-15T14:18:51.734+01:00White says a will is a property of personal existe...White says a will is a property of personal existence. Something that is not personal cannot have a will. You need to read White's comment within its context, which is a debate with a Oneness heretic.<br /><br />As for the quotation you provide from Athanasius, he doesn't even mention the words "will" and "person" ... <br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-58545947695254416072010-04-15T09:01:38.157+01:002010-04-15T09:01:38.157+01:00They exist.
And I'm well aware of what Nyssa...They exist.<br /><br /><br />And I'm well aware of what Nyssa taught.Jay Dyerhttp://jaysanalysis.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-42775980433323230032010-04-15T09:00:01.851+01:002010-04-15T09:00:01.851+01:00White argues as follows:
“One of the characterist...White argues as follows:<br /><br />“One of the characteristics of personal existence is will. Few would argue the point in relationship to the Father, as He obviously has a will. So too, the Son has a will, for he says to the Father in the Garden, “not as I will, but as you will.” (Matthew 26:39) The ascription of will to the Persons indicates the ability to reason, to think, to act, to desire –Jay Dyerhttp://jaysanalysis.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-29831619905579863982010-04-15T01:22:59.973+01:002010-04-15T01:22:59.973+01:00Dyer, that venerable Gregory of Nyssa whom you rel...Dyer, that venerable Gregory of Nyssa whom you rely upon was pretty heretical himself - an Origenist, believing in universal salvation of all, Satan included.Viisaushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02682159289133730565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-13657058629535420052010-04-15T00:58:21.976+01:002010-04-15T00:58:21.976+01:00So the guy who says that Calvinists are heretics i...So the guy who says that Calvinists are heretics is going to a Roman mass? That's rich.louishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05447894010657835114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-4700873992090372672010-04-15T00:53:13.584+01:002010-04-15T00:53:13.584+01:00No matter what religion Dyer switches to on any gi...No matter what religion Dyer switches to on any given day...you can always count on him being an anti-Calvinist.Craig Frenchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11574886481599832557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-28420083933762639852010-04-15T00:04:44.602+01:002010-04-15T00:04:44.602+01:00"You can think that, and you can think with y..."You can think that, and you can think with your master that there are three wills in the Trinity, too, and one will in Christ (since White says will is a property of person). But this is only to your own emarassment."<br /><br />White's my good friend and I love him dearly. We don't agree on everything, but I don't think you'll have any success in tarring him as a Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-75563979928493969452010-04-14T23:23:06.655+01:002010-04-14T23:23:06.655+01:00I think the best approach would just be to read a ...I think the best approach would just be to read a good booklist. And I'm not being rude, I'm seriously saying to work through a good checklist of stuff.Jay Dyerhttp://jaysanalysis.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-54623860934133894262010-04-14T23:19:51.944+01:002010-04-14T23:19:51.944+01:00You can think that, and you can think with your ma...You can think that, and you can think with your master that there are three wills in the Trinity, too, and one will in Christ (since White says will is a property of person). But this is only to your own emarassment.<br /><br />Further, the numerous people who left Calvinism that are on my fb friend's list would also beg to differ with you over who understood what.Jay Dyerhttp://jaysanalysis.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-50182008234633054662010-04-14T23:14:17.980+01:002010-04-14T23:14:17.980+01:00"You haven't debunked anything because yo..."You haven't debunked anything because you still misunderstand the position and are apparently intent on not understanding it."<br /><br />I understand my position and I understand how my position corresponds to historic definitions of the faith. It's possible I don't understand your position, but I leave it up to you to try to explain your side clearly.<br /><br />"IfTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-13954263922764931852010-04-14T23:10:16.613+01:002010-04-14T23:10:16.613+01:00You haven't debunked anything because you stil...You haven't debunked anything because you still misunderstand the position and are apparently intent on not understanding it. If you took some time and understood the definitions of hypostasis, nature, person, operation/energy, etc., you would benefit. <br /><br />No, I do not attend an Orthodox Church. There is no Orthodox Church within 3 hours from where I presently live. I was a Jay Dyerhttp://jaysanalysis.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-60200771623779614992010-04-14T19:47:20.099+01:002010-04-14T19:47:20.099+01:00I'm not the least interest in trying to prove ...I'm not the least interest in trying to prove he's a member in a parish somewhere. I'm content with the report I already provided ... if you're not, it's up to you to investigate the matter further.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-31931028668767642502010-04-14T19:45:04.931+01:002010-04-14T19:45:04.931+01:00Please note that at no time did Dyer disclose any ...Please note that at no time did Dyer disclose any parish to which he was attached as a member. He was a catachumen for a short period and then publically renounced Orthodoxy before returning to Rome. He was never received as a member of the Orthodox Church and the link you provide doesn't indicate that he was.<br /><br />When he says he returned to being "Orhtodox" he means in his Acolyte4236https://www.blogger.com/profile/06247421363309732839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-55285068936067053852010-04-14T19:33:23.970+01:002010-04-14T19:33:23.970+01:00Acolyte4236:
http://www.antipelagian.com/2009/10/...Acolyte4236:<br /><br />http://www.antipelagian.com/2009/10/jay-dyer-re-convertssort-of.html<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-34746274963171291102010-04-14T18:46:41.301+01:002010-04-14T18:46:41.301+01:00The arguments aside, Dyer is not now, nor has ever...The arguments aside, Dyer is not now, nor has ever been to my knowledge a member of the Orthodox church, or any even uncanonical body claiming to be such.Acolyte4236https://www.blogger.com/profile/06247421363309732839noreply@blogger.com