tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post3439463230193454520..comments2024-03-17T08:25:33.806+00:00Comments on Thoughts of Francis Turretin: Some Things that Dr. Geisler OverlookedTurretinfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-26160131300621786172010-07-10T21:30:37.347+01:002010-07-10T21:30:37.347+01:00Geisler has deleted the Facebook discussion with t...Geisler has deleted the Facebook discussion with the nearly one hundred or more comments that many people put time and thought into.Dee Dee Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06508451343010474943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-71324109269452549592010-07-08T15:22:27.582+01:002010-07-08T15:22:27.582+01:00TF wrote, "Can "other wives" mean o...TF wrote, "Can "other wives" mean one more?"<br /><br />I wouldn't think so, but then I wouldn't think "he had many wives" could mean, 'he had two, consecutively, with divorce intervening.' I don't know if NG's going to tell you the same thing he told me, but this was Point One: "First of all, Ergun's father had two wives. Many can Frederickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071420764901945035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-39230028384625474752010-07-08T02:54:33.710+01:002010-07-08T02:54:33.710+01:00Can "other wives" mean one more?Can "other wives" mean one more?Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-38090248780152999092010-07-08T02:27:45.156+01:002010-07-08T02:27:45.156+01:00Gary Dilworth wrote, "Geisler answers his ema...Gary Dilworth wrote, "Geisler answers his email."<br /><br />I can confirm he answers his e-mail, but I'm not going to bother sending another one. I asked him about Point No. 7, his refutation of the "many wives" as Ergun reported in the Alabama sermon: "Somebody stuck around for me. I came here as a missionary for you. I didn't know Christians. I thought you Frederickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071420764901945035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-32527367415799889472010-07-07T17:50:32.339+01:002010-07-07T17:50:32.339+01:00The above link doesn't work everyone. Try thi...The above link doesn't work everyone. Try this...<br /><br />http://www.normangeisler.net/infurtherdefenseofcaner.htmlgary dilworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447173908213258470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-87869560658839258012010-07-07T17:44:17.778+01:002010-07-07T17:44:17.778+01:00Very sad indeed. I agree with you 100%. This stu...Very sad indeed. I agree with you 100%. This stuff breaks my heart.gary dilworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447173908213258470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-89070217787777327512010-07-07T17:40:56.063+01:002010-07-07T17:40:56.063+01:00Gary:
I see that he has done that. Very sad.
-T...Gary:<br /><br />I see that he has done that. Very sad.<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-10061659145066436182010-07-07T17:33:15.129+01:002010-07-07T17:33:15.129+01:00TF,
Geisler updated and futher defended Caner...
...TF,<br />Geisler updated and futher defended Caner...<br /><br />http://www.normangeisler.net/infurtherdefenseofcaner.htmlgary dilworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447173908213258470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-45291538387902326552010-07-07T16:58:06.257+01:002010-07-07T16:58:06.257+01:00The tendency of Ergun's 'I was a teen-age ...The tendency of Ergun's 'I was a teen-age jihadi' testimonies to disappear once attention is drawn to them shows guilty knowledge. For instance the Focus on the Family re-broadcast of the Prestonwood testimony was available for download at that site, but is no longer, so I'm told. If Dr. Geisler seriously believes there is nothing wrong with these testimonies other than what Frederickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071420764901945035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-40329786578222291562010-07-07T16:45:09.325+01:002010-07-07T16:45:09.325+01:00From Geisler's site:
"Finally, his criti...From Geisler's site:<br /><br />"Finally, his critics have not followed the instructions of Matthew 18 by going first to their brother and then to his church privately on these allegations. Rather, they have practiced unbiblical gossip in passing on defaming charges about another brother in Christ to others—indeed, making these charges public. " <br /><br />Well, if Geisler really gary dilworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447173908213258470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-62950773980071607512010-07-07T16:04:21.730+01:002010-07-07T16:04:21.730+01:00Great point Dan Phillips makes here:
http://bibch...Great point Dan Phillips makes here:<br /><br />http://bibchr.blogspot.com/2010/07/ill-retire-to-bedlam-levi-johnston-gets.htmlmikebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06947509425403456046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-87428552839651073882010-07-07T15:14:49.017+01:002010-07-07T15:14:49.017+01:00From Geisler's site:
"Finally, his criti...From Geisler's site:<br /><br />"Finally, his critics have not followed the instructions of Matthew 18 by going first to their brother and then to his church privately on these allegations. Rather, they have practiced unbiblical gossip in passing on defaming charges about another brother in Christ to others—indeed, making these charges public. "<br /><br />I have long despaired Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-32749400981684605392010-07-07T14:56:11.304+01:002010-07-07T14:56:11.304+01:00When you hear these messages in "context"...When you hear these messages in "context" they are indefensible!<br /><br />Wednesday, July 07, 2010 12:12:00 PM<br /><br /><br />This was my reaction, too, after all this came out and I started listening to his sermons in full. I was astonished as how breezily he lies. It is as if it is congenital. I think he may have a real problem...and I think that problem is worse because he is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-80999066167481209652010-07-07T14:53:32.400+01:002010-07-07T14:53:32.400+01:00"Second, a blogger-critic refuses to give his..."Second, a blogger-critic refuses to give his real name, using a pseudonym. This violates a moral and legal rule that one has a right to face his accusers. [This is also a good way to avoid libel charges.]"<br /><br /><br />Didn't Geisler author a book with someone who used a pseudonym?<br /><br />From these men we constantly see: Do as I say, not as I do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-65042780570887944002010-07-07T13:44:11.641+01:002010-07-07T13:44:11.641+01:00Calling all Caner defenders: why doesn't Caner...Calling all Caner defenders: why doesn't Caner do what Geisler is doing? This would stop all of this.<br /><br />It is really unbelievable that he will not do what Sbctoday, Peter Lumpkins and Geisler is doing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-32876050547719436392010-07-07T12:12:33.521+01:002010-07-07T12:12:33.521+01:00I just finished reading Geisler's response htt...I just finished reading Geisler's response http://www.normangeisler.net/infurtherdefenseofcaner.html<br /><br />Wow! I think I have lost all respect I ever had for the guy. I see a lot of legal quips that just made me sick like:<br /><br />[This is also a good way to avoid libel charges.]<br /><br />OK, Dr. Geisler, if you want to play that way ... how about we put the call out to all the hutchmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08918070313660405299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-12729102272270139692010-07-07T12:08:11.346+01:002010-07-07T12:08:11.346+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.hutchmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08918070313660405299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-5206342967718014402010-07-07T06:43:17.720+01:002010-07-07T06:43:17.720+01:00This whole thing just stinks. Mr. Geisler is almo...This whole thing just stinks. Mr. Geisler is almost certainly communicating with the Caners in drafting these defenses so these pugnacious replies likely reflect their attitudes. <br /><br />This is so shameful and just makes me sick. Instead of some spin-apology that was hastily removed, most all Christians would rush to support Mr. Caner if he had just acknowledged his exaggerations and the BruinEricnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-58792614150819707932010-07-07T03:41:34.949+01:002010-07-07T03:41:34.949+01:00Let your speech always be with grace, as though se...Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person. Colossians 4:6<br /><br />Geisler answers his email. You can expect a response. Even more than one. I exchanged 4 with him. You can find his address on this page...halfway down...<br /><br /><br />http://veritasseminary.com/edu/pages/contact-directions.phpgary dilworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447173908213258470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-52299202955152189642010-07-07T03:23:14.047+01:002010-07-07T03:23:14.047+01:00Is Geisler exposed to any probable and significant...Is Geisler exposed to any probable and significant financial liability if Caner fully and thoroughly repents?gary dilworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447173908213258470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-2987624909532319432010-07-07T02:58:39.491+01:002010-07-07T02:58:39.491+01:00http://www.normangeisler.net/kregelcaner.html
Thi...http://www.normangeisler.net/kregelcaner.html<br /><br />This explains a lot. He says "we" when he talks about Kregel Publications, the Caners' publishers for 'Unveiling Islam,' though he doesn't explain the exact relationship.Frederickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071420764901945035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-83413506323426071972010-07-07T02:53:08.895+01:002010-07-07T02:53:08.895+01:00Speaking of Geisler's "Chosen But Free&qu...Speaking of Geisler's "Chosen But Free", James Whtie had a very interesting segment on today's (July 6) "Dividing Line." Apparently, Geisler harbored a deep resentment againt White for ten years, ever since White had the audactiy to write "The Potter's Freedom" to totally blow Geisler out of the water. At one point, acting like a spoiled brat who Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-78358691675605695442010-07-07T02:47:53.045+01:002010-07-07T02:47:53.045+01:00From Norman Geisler's update: "Response: ...From Norman Geisler's update: "Response: Ergun traveled with his father to Turkey several times."<br /><br />He's upped the ante. Now EC was in Turkey, not once, but "several" times.Frederickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071420764901945035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-25211447029771302692010-07-07T02:44:50.121+01:002010-07-07T02:44:50.121+01:00"What about the jibberish issue? That is diff..."What about the jibberish issue? That is difficult to reconcile with the "no intent to decieve" defense."<br /><br />Plus in several of the testimonies he's speaking with a foreign accent, rolling his 'r's,' as is not normally done by folks who grew up in Ohio. How can anybody possibly do <i>that</i> without an intent to deceive?Frederickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071420764901945035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21597890.post-53230303245356746382010-07-07T02:37:55.057+01:002010-07-07T02:37:55.057+01:00"Second, a blogger-critic refuses to give his..."Second, a blogger-critic refuses to give his real name, using a pseudonym. This violates a moral and legal rule that one has a right to face his accusers. [This is also a good way to avoid libel charges.]"<br /><br />Geisler is obviously totally unfamiliar with the long-recognized use of pen names that a number of writers have used down through the centuries. Not the very least being Tomnoreply@blogger.com