Wednesday, June 09, 2010

When Was Emir Caner Disowned?

Listening to Ergun and Emir Caner talking about their reconciliation with their father on his deathbed, I noticed an odd comment from Emir Caner. He indicated that it had been 17 years since Ergun Caner had seen his father, but that it had been "a decade for me" (link to clip). That 7 year difference was quite unexpected. It had been my understanding from numerous other Caner family testimonies that the gap between the conversion of Ergun and Emir was not more than about a year, and that both the brothers were disowned not later than late November 1982.

It was at that point that I noticed that the Caner brothers' book, Unveling Islam, has this interestingly worded passage at page 19:
In 1982, Ergun surrendered to the gospel ministry. It was the last time he saw our father for seventeen years. Acar disowned his sons, although it could have been worse: according to hadith 9.57, all three of us brothers should have been killed.

Tragedies and Commitments

Seventeen years later, we Caner brothers were reunited with our father, four days before he died. His second wife had convinced him to see us, and we flew in from all over the country, hoping.
The book never actually states that Emir was disowned in 1982, though one gets that impression. One wonders whether the Caners' father disowned them because of the conversion itself or because they indicated that they were called to the ministry. It would be interesting to ask Emir Caner to clarify this matter, if he would be willing to do so.

- TurretinFan

8 comments:

  1. Tur8

    I think the decade is rounding as Emir says on a recording 14 years if I remember correctly

    biglo

    ReplyDelete
  2. More of that "hadith 9.57".

    "Good morning congregation. Please open your Bibles to 8:3".

    ReplyDelete
  3. Maybe there is something to that old saw?

    "Liars figure, figures don't lie"?

    Or, "leaven is a powerful unifier"?

    ReplyDelete
  4. Someone put together some "criteria" for when to believe Dr. Caner. I don't remember exactly who, but did think that the system he/she proposed was relatively accurate.

    It seems to me that if the statement is bland and does not add drama to the story that it is likely credible. When it adds drama then it is probably embellished.

    ReplyDelete
  5. To my hearing this is easily reconcilable because disowned doesn't necessarily mean they didn't see each other.

    While Ergun Caner appears to claim his disownership was coincident with no further contact with his father until 1999, the same may not have been with Emir.

    For example, they may have seen each other at an event such as high-school graduation or a family emergency during the time when Ergun was at college. Just an example of a way the story is easily reconciled.

    ReplyDelete
  6. Eric,

    The problem isn't so much that Ergun's recollection of some events isn't plausible/"reconcilable", it's just that his recollection keeps changing.

    Notwithstanding whether Ergun's seperation from his father was due to disownership or divorce, according to the Court of Appeals in Franklin County, OH on 2/6/79, his "religious" seperation from his father was a result of a custody arrangement. After that date, even if Acar Caner WANTED to teach his boy Islamic theology, he would have done so in violation of a court order.

    ReplyDelete
  7. B.E.: The facts shown here just raise a question, they don't prove anyone was lying. Perhaps I wasn't sufficiently clear about that in the post.

    There are any number of possible ways to reconcile them - such as that he happened to bump into his father at the local drugstore in 1989, or something like that.

    Or that he was rounding down from 14 combined with something else ...

    -TurretinFan

    ReplyDelete
  8. I expect that there were many elements that contributed to the Caner's separation from the father (divorce from their mother, remarriage) beyond religious differences. I wonder if the conversion may have been something more of the straw that broke the camel's back in a relationship that was already strained. Going home immediately to tell his father (even though we know he was not living with his father) may have been the ultimate act of adolescent rebellion against a father who, from a child's point of view, had already abandoned his sons. It's easier to explain to a crowd that you were disowned over your commitment to Christ than to own that you really don't know why your father didn't love you enough to hang around--or that you were never able to go back and re-establish a relationship as an adult.

    ReplyDelete

Comment Guidelines:

1. Thanks for posting a comment. Without you, this blog would not be interactive.

2. Please be polite. That doesn't mean you have to use kid gloves, but please try not to flame others, even if they are heretics, infidels, or worse.

3. If you insult me, I'm more likely to delete your comment than if you butter me up. After all, I'm human. I prefer praise to insults. If you prefer insults, there's something wrong with you.

4. Please be concise. The comment box is not your blog. Your blog is your blog. If you have a really long comment, post it on your blog and post a short summary of it here.

5. Please don't just spam. It's one thing to be concise, it's another thing to simply use the comment box to advertise.

6. Please note, by commenting here, you are relinquishing your (C) in your comments to me.

7. Remember that you will give an account on judgment day for your words, including those typed in comment boxes. Try to write so you will not be ashamed if it is read back before the entire world.

8. Stay on topic. If your comment has nothing to do with the post, email it to me (my email can be obtained through my blogger profile), or simply don't post it.

9. Don't post as "Anonymous." If you are going to post anonymously, at least use some kind of recognizable "handle," so we can tell you apart from all the other anonymous folks. (This is moot at the moment, since recent abuse has forced me to turn off "anonymous" commenting.)

10. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you; and abstain from doing to others what you would not wish upon yourself.