Psalm 76:10 Surely the wrath of man shall praise thee: the remainder of wrath shalt thou restrain.
This verse fits marvelously well with the Calvinistic teaching that everything that man does, even the wrath of men, glorifies God. My question is, how could an Arminian agree with this verse? How does man's wrath praise God in an Arminian worldview? I would think the best that could be said for the Arminian viewpoint is that God (according to them) manages to make the best of man's wrath.
-TurretinFan
Thursday, February 11, 2010
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That's sadly quite funny, TF!
You would think, a thinking Arminian, after suffering so much from their own hands, would look outside themself for a Savior!
The Angel spoke clearly and truthfully to Mary:::>
"You shall call His Name Jesus, for it is He Who will save His people from their sins"!
Just a heads up, the LXX equivalent (Ps. 75:11) says:
"For a man shall give thanks to You from his heart, And he shall celebrate a feast to You with his whole heart."
I don't have the Hebrew or Greek handy for the passage, but I know the ESV shares your translation while the NIV does not (though that doesn't surprise me too much). If the MT is the proper OT, then no problem arises.
Of course I'm not an Arminian either :-).
Chris
The difference is similarly reflected in the difference between the Nova Vulgata (based more on the Hebrew) and the Clementine Vulgate (based more on the LXX).
Nova Vulgata:
Quoniam furor hominis confitebitur tibi, et reliquiae furoris diem festum agent tibi.
Clementine Vulgate:
Quoniam cogitatio hominis confitebitur tibi, et reliquiæ cogitationis diem festum agent tibi.
I don't know of anyone who thinks that the LXX is preferable to the Hebrew in the Psalms. Doubtless there is someone out there somewhere who holds to such a view - Jerome wasn't one of them.
-TurretinFan
The Hebrew:
חמא חמה
chêmâh chêmâ'
khay-maw', khay-maw'
From H3179; heat; figuratively anger, poison (from its fever): - anger, bottles, hot displeasure, furious (-ly, -ry), heat, indignation, poison, rage, wrath (-ful).
TF,
Peter seems to quote the LXX in Acts 1, and Christ also does
While the finer points of which OT is the most reliable could be debated here, nonetheless, the text itself does not indicate anything other than that God's wrath against the godless will bring Him praise. Especially since this Psalm speaks in a historical context of the defeat of armies against Israel (who would later taste the same wrath of God). Similarly, this will happen at the final judgment as well.
I guess the question here is: why does St James say that the anger of man does NOT work the righteousness of God? (And how this fits in with Calvin's views to the contrary).
Lucian:
Working the righteousness of God differs from bringing glory to God. God can receive glory even through the wicked acts of wicked men - the cross being the prime example of this.
- TurretinFan
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