Wednesday, October 08, 2008

Challenge to Pro-Choice Folks

Consider watching Rhology's video at Rhoblogy and leaving him a comment (link to video post). Warning, not for the weak of stomach. Abortion is murder, and from Rhology's description, photos of the victims of the murder are shown in the video. I myself am not willing to watch the video - but then again I am pro-life.

If you honestly believe that a fetus is simply part of a woman's body ...

Shame on you.



Talulah said...

Since you asked so nicely, I watched. I found it very interesting that the video skipped pretty much from blastocyst directly to in utero fetal development in the second and third trimester. Considering 90% of abortions occur during the first trimester, I found that to be a little weird and emotionally manipulative.

Since most second and third trimester abortions are done because of fetal anomalies and health risks to the pregnant woman, the video mostly made me wonder what sort of things were wrong with the fetus or the woman...and then I started thinking about the dearth of services available to parents to help raise children with severe birth defects.

Quite honestly, I am way more horrified by photos of women who have died by illegal abortion and photos of actually born children who have suffered abuse and neglect. I found the video to be kind of silly and dishonest.

Turretinfan said...

I should point out that the challenge is actually for you to post a comment on Rhology's blog, not mine. Perhaps you already have.

I published your comment here to address your false dichotomy.

Intentional abortion is murder and should be criminally sanctioned.


a) The people responsible for women dying in "illegal abortions" are the women who insist on breaking the law and trying to murder their offspring; and

b) Inability to kill one's offspring is not license to abuse or neglect one's offspring.


Rhology said...


What of the photos of the actual dead babies?

Do you have any idea how few women died in the US pre-Roe v Wade from back-alley abortions?

Do you have any idea how unsafe, unsterile, and unregulated modern American abortuaries are?

Do you really believe that if someone is older and more capable than someone else, if the latter is a serious inconvenience to the former, it is morally acceptable for the former to kill the latter?

Anonymous said...

In my "ministry" for the Lord, I have been to eleven war zones around the world. I have seen decapitations and executions with guns.

As a Police Chaplain and Volunteer Fireman for the district I lived in I have seen much worse.

This may come as a surprise to some that I would not expect anything that looked like Christ and His Teachings in the world system.

I would and do expect some grief stricken souls being drawn out of the world system into the Church as the Holy Ghost sanctifies an "elect".

What we are before we spiritually are enlightened comes from whom we come from, as in, a father and mother.

The Church is taken out of the many tribes and kindreds and nations and people groups within nations.

Abortion kills a child, either a male child or a female child.

The Church has a mandate to rise up and reign in Life:::>

Rom 5:17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.

Fortunately for now, in this culture, the present United States of America, we have not seen as some members of the Body of Christ have seen and sadly experienced this:::>

Heb 11:32 And what more shall I say? For time would fail me to tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets--
Heb 11:33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, enforced justice, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
Heb 11:34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, were made strong out of weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight.
Heb 11:35 Women received back their dead by resurrection. Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, so that they might rise again to a better life.
Heb 11:36 Others suffered mocking and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment.
Heb 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were killed with the sword. They went about in skins of sheep and goats, destitute, afflicted, mistreated--
Heb 11:38 of whom the world was not worthy--wandering about in deserts and mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
Heb 11:39 And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised,
Heb 11:40 since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.

Today, regardless of the devil and his work in the world, and the world, the Church has an obligation to come into maturity and embrace those Words of Scripture: "that apart from us they should not be made perfect".

God, by His Way allows members of Christ to be mistreated.

We can do something about abortion in these United States of America.

Whose fault is it if the Church can do something about overturning the immoral law of the land, "Roe V. Wade" if we, the Church, do not do something about overturning that law?

Once we do, we then have the "State" laws to contend with.

So we win at the national level. It then comes back to the State Legislatures where we fight and establish Constitutional Laws of the several States that protect the unborn.

This world is assaulting the Church. I would be surprised if the world wasn't? Would you?

Abortion is evil. The Church let their guard and vigilance down during that terrible time to the run up to the establishing of Roe V. Wade.

There will always be illegal activity in all society.

We Believers have no immoral quams about it when the "Underground" Church in very repressive cultures and governments secretly violate the civil and moral laws of those cultures and governments. We certainly would and should have some objection to violating the Ten Commandments though.

I have been party to smuggling drugs over the border as a teen ager. Was I stupid and an idiot?

Well, yes I was.

I have been party to smuggling Bibles into countries where it was illegal for Christianity to exist legally. Was I stupid and an idiot?

Well, no I was not.

Abortion in every country and culture is evil.

What are we, the True Church prepared to do about it in the United States and every culture and country where it is condoned?

Anonymous said...

Talulah is just an example of the depravity of man's heart. We will never legislate the Gospel into people's hearts ...we can only spread the Gospel for the Holy Spirit to change their hearts of stone to hearts of flesh. Since they hate the Creator, they WILL hate His creation in some fashion or another. They are blind. God's grace has given us sight. To Him be the glory.

Turretinfan said...

We can and should legislate the outward observance of the 6th commandment.

We cannot legislate people into loving their children, but we can and should criminalize their murder of their children.