Wednesday, August 31, 2011

James Jordan or Joseph Smith?

Here's the quotation: "We shall no longer be under the Father — except in the more general sense that as creatures we shall always be “under” God. As the fully mature Son sits with his Father on his throne, so shall we (Revelation 3:21; John 17:21-22). We shall be co-elders with the Father and the Son. In this final phase, the Spirit will be with us not only as the Spirit of the Father and as the Spirit of the Son, but then fully as the Spirit of Glory. He will fully give us his own Divine property of glory. He will no longer be conveying us either to the Son or to the Father, except as he is the bond of this everlasting fellowship."

You tell me if that's James Jordan of "Biblical Horizons" or Joseph Smith of "The Book of Mormon," "The Doctrines of Salvation," etc.

How about this one?

"The Father has promised us that through our faithfulness we shall be blessed with the fulness of his kingdom. In other words we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood ... . We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds ... ."

-TurretinFan

8 comments:

natamllc said...

For me, I am not sure the begging thief on the Cross next to Christ would agree with this:

""The Father has promised us that through our faithfulness we shall be blessed with the fulness of his kingdom."

What does my faithfulness have to do with His Grace and Mercy being given to me? At the end of my time on earth, if I leave out of here naked, as in, not wearing His Robe of Righteousness, it makes no difference to God how righteous I kept myself for Him, I am not going into His Heaven to dwell with Them and the Elect for the rest of eternity.

Some verses in the King James Version say it so much better in English than other translations.

Here is one:

(KJV) 1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

...(BBE) 1Pe 1:5 Who, by the power of God are kept, through faith, for that salvation, which will be seen at the last day.

...(DRB) 1Pe 1:5 Who, by the power of God, are kept by faith unto salvation, ready to be revealed in the last time.

...(Geneva)1Pe 1:5 Which are kept by the power of God through faith vnto saluation, which is prepared to be shewed in the last time.

...(ESV) 1Pe 1:5 who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Coram Deo said...

Rank. Heresy.

In Christ,
CD

Steve Drake said...

There's something to be said about being precise with language and using proper terminology. The quotes by James Jordan are neither.

Coram Deo said...

Jordan's language seemed precise enough to convey his intent; in fact it was very reminiscent of the language of Isaiah 14:

"You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north"

In Christ,
CD

Steve Drake said...

Coram Deo,
What about his intent is rank heresy? :)

Coram Deo said...

Steve,

Jordan's assertions: " In other words we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood ... . We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds ... ." are rank heresy, and the intent of his words was to convey said message.

I think perhaps you've conflated separate ideas collapsing them into one thought.

In Christ,
CD

Steve Drake said...

Coram Deo,
Ageed. I think his words 'are' rank heresy. I've never been a fan of James Jordan for just such misinterpretation of clearly Biblical themes. He's obviously taking a skewed and unwarranted eisegesis of particular verses to come up with these statements he makes. Everything seems to be typology for him, meta themes that he uses to unjustifiably increase the scope of the actual meaning and intent of said verses.

Coram Deo said...

A sound hermeneutic is our friend.